Conflict flares up in Gaza again

[Cray]

Only you can come up with that statement! Go read the thread!

As for Hamas I agree they deserve to be killed for firing the rockets. I do not agree with the innocent deaths of civilians but that is the price cowards like Hamas must pay for hiding between civilians even pushing them to the front line as they run for cover, possibly even killing their own to blame Israel!

Still waiting to hear about the Hamas militants that where on the beach where those 4 Palestinian kids where killed...

 

[daveza]

1 secular state, problem solved.

Netanyahu has ruled out a single state.

But then he has also ruled out a two state solution.

 

[daveza]

Thats not what Hamas wants. They want to be in charge of the whole region and look what they did to Gaza!

So why are they not in the West Bank ?

 

[Spizz]

I think its tongue in cheek. I read it as one
Thats anticipating things. I am sure the same was said of South Africa. Lots of muslim states that are stable. Point is we shouldnt generalise. I certainly dont think seriously or marine represent all jews.

I should add that the 'lots' off Muslim states that are stable are that way because the laws are uncompromising and the non muslims follow them without question.

 

[falcon786]

So you agree that Hamas are trying to murder innocent Israelis with their rockets and now because Israel are taking action taking action and unfortunately kills civilians in the line of fire because the Hamas coward are hiding behind the civilians they are the murderers? Yet Hamas is innocent in your mind? The fact that Israel are succeeding where Hamas failed in the area of protecting their civilians cannot even cross your mind can it? Shame, just shame!

Recently when a man was killed in Spur quiet a few stated the victim was looking for it by throwing a bottle but yet the same idiots claim Hamas was not looking for trouble firing rockets in Israel with the prime motive to kill as many civilians as they can. How stupid can people be? Must be Allah confusing their dilapidated braincells!

Read the quote below this isn't SPUR,this is illegally occupied land.So I'll quote it for you again to rub it in since you seem to have comprehension issues.

What we need to recognize very clearly is that what we have right now in Gaza is 1) an occupier exercising criminal behavior because Israel does not have the legal right for self defense against an occupied state.

Gaza is under occupation consequently the occupier, Israel here, does not have the legal right for self defense.

Second, since Gaza is under occupation Palestinians in Gaza actually do have the legal right to defend themselves against Israeli provocation, Israeli airstrikes, Israeli bombardments, Israeli criminality.

So we need to put this within the legal context very clearly.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371482/israel-has-no-right-to-strike-gaza/

If you must equate it to Spur to understand then fine picture armed gunmen taking over a spur and troubling the patrons and holding the people in there hostage for a significant length of time,eventually the owner gets tired and smacks one of them,barely causing a red mark,I guess you feel its right for these criminal gunmen to now murder the owner and while they at it his innocent 3 year old kid also.

Boom,there goes your Spur scenario.

 

[Seriously]

It's the civilians who are paying the price.

And hospital patients.

Sad is it not? Lay the blame squarely at the Hamas Islamic extremist terrorist vermin's feet of responsibility. They are firing the rockets and refuse a truce twice in the last few days. This all could have been avoided!

 

[Seriously]

Read the quote below this isn't SPUR,this is illegally occupied land.So I'll quote it for you again to rub it in since you seem to have comprehension issues.



If you must equate it to Spur to understand then fine picture armed gunmen taking over a spur and troubling the patrons and holding the people in there hostage for a significant length of time,eventually the owner gets tired and smacks one of them,barely causing a red mark,I guess you feel its right for these criminal gunmen to now murder the owner and while they at it his innocent 3 year old kid also.

Boom,there goes your Spur scenario.

The Islamic extremist part of your brain are overriding any logical though that could have been mustered. Boom there goes your logic!

 

[falcon786]

I should add that the 'lots' off Muslim states that are stable are that way because the laws are uncompromising and the non muslims follow them without question.

There are a few that are that way because of UN installed puppet dictatorships,take Saddam and Assad as prime examples.

 

[Seriously]

So why are they not in the West Bank ?

Maybe Palestinians with brains do not want them maybe? You as the exspert tell me!

 

[Spizz]

1 secular state, problem solved.

Netanyahu has ruled out a single state.

But then he has also ruled out a two state solution.

Of course a secular state is the perfect solution, but it will never happen. Never ever, too many opponents and ideologies.

Two states is the only way forward but that would mean Israel feeling safe enough to compromise on existing policies and organisations such as Hamas being totally disbanded. Again, not much chance of that but it's the only long term workable solution and should be a goal imo.

 

[falcon786]

The Islamic extremist part of your brain are overriding any logical though that could have been mustered. Boom there goes your logic!

Lol how ironic that you speak of logic when this very post of yours contains non.

And numb nut if I was an extremist of any sort I would have wanted what you want,extermination of a people,I'm the reasonable one here calling for a proper secular 1 state solution but hows about a bet that your terrorist extremist Zionist Israeli's will never agree to that because for them its all about power and greed.They couldn't care less about a Palestinians life.

 

[daveza]

Sad is it not? Lay it at Hamas Islamic extremist terrorist vermin's feet of responsibility.

Uhm no. The responsibility lies with the IDF.

Hamas didn't kill the civilians, the IDF killed the civilians.

If they want to kill hamas militants then they need to go into Gaza as a ground force and fight an urban battle.

This of course will increase the IDF casualty rate enormously - but the civilian losses will dwindle.

Much safer for the IDF to use planes and tanks né.

 

[Spizz]

There are a few that are that way because of UN installed puppet dictatorships,take Saddam and Assad as prime examples.

I'm thinking more like Saudi or Kuwait where things appear stable because of the strict rule of law where foreigners have little or no rights so they don't count.

But take away the harshness of the state and people like Saddam, and look what happens. An absolute bloody shambles and death around every corner. Islam and democracy do not seem to go well together I'm afraid, and that's my point.

 

[falcon786]

Of course a secular state is the perfect solution, but it will never happen. Never ever, too many opponents and ideologies.

Two states is the only way forward but that would mean Israel feeling safe enough to compromise on existing policies and organisations such as Hamas being totally disbanded. Again, not much chance of that but it's the only long term workable solution and should be a goal imo.

And all the while Israel continues to build more and more illegal settlements showing lack of any intent to ever give the Palestinians anything irrespective of whether Hamas exists or not.Hamas is just a convenient excuse for them.

 

[hellfire]

yes



With a 5 to 1 civilian to militant ratio of kills, yes.

No ethical military force will purposefully kill 5 civilians to get to 1 militia. And as the IDF has acknowledged hamas are hiding behind civilians, then purposefully is the correct word.

So what is the solution? How do they stop the rockets?

 

[Seriously]

Uhm no. The responsibility lies with the IDF.

Hamas didn't kill the civilians, the IDF killed the civilians.

If they want to kill hamas militants then they need to go into Gaza as a ground force and fight an urban battle.

This of course will increase the IDF casualty rate enormously - but the civilian losses will dwindle.

Much safer for the IDF to use planes and tanks né.

Maybe you missed something? The IDF ground force are already in Gaza and they already had soldiers that perished. Maybe focus a bit and get up to date with the news!

 

[falcon786]

I'm thinking more like Saudi or Kuwait where things appear stable because of the strict rule of law where foreigners have little or no rights so they don't count.

But take away the harshness of the state and people like Saddam, and look what happens. An absolute bloody shambles and death around every corner. Islam and democracy do not seem to go well together I'm afraid, and that's my point.

Saudi is actually a good example of a dictatorship,the Saud family is not even natively from Saudi yet they rule over the area with an iron fist backed fully by America.How come some dictatorships are accepted while others are not?Its all a political game which started at the fall of the Caliphate.

In the case of Iraq do you think they have a proper democracy or was it another case of America installing the people they want to rule the country?I honestly don't believe they have achieved anything close to a true democracy in Iraq,they have tried to make it resemble one though but don't be fooled its not.

 

[Seriously]

So what is the solution? How do they stop the rockets?

Or the suicide bombers attacking busses if the borders are opened again, because of the promised of many virgins in heaven waiting!

 

[falcon786]

So what is the solution? How do they stop the rockets?

How about giving in to Hamas demands which are all economic and designed to make the Palestinian(mainly Gaza) people able to live a relatively normal life instead of the current huge prison they are living in.

Its not like Hamas have even asked for all their land back they are just asking for basic rights to grow economically.That would be a great start no?

 

[Mineer]

So what is the solution? How do they stop the rockets?

Give the occupied territories back. Stop breaking international law.