Conflict flares up in Gaza again

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daveza

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You cherry pick individual instances where a single tank, ship or soldier commits a criminal act

Is that an admission of IDF war crimes ?

Because if it is it will be the first time those on the ant-Palestinian side admits that the Israelis are not faultless.

Hamas this, Palestinian children that - you would swear the IDF are the only military force on the entire planet that does not commit atrocities.

They do - and it's time someone had the balls and integrity to admit it.
 
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Whatever soothes your fancy, believe what you want as you so far could not debunk one fact and refuse to consider evidence that the Hamas extremist islamic vermin are deliberately putting their wives, daughters and sons in harms way while brainwashing their sons and giving them weapons to shoot at the IDF. I care less what you think and hail the IDF for having the guts to protect their citizens and making a success of it. You quoted the ratios and that makes me happy!.
I am sure the Nazis were as proud as the zionists about killing kids. Oh sorry if I say zionists I am automatically anti-jewish and wait for it ...
the best - anti semitic :D
 

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Maybe cause the photos are taken by the IDF ?

As recent events show its quite a death wish to stick around as a Palestinian when they are around. Even for a woman or child.

You know I came here neutral ? And you almost single handidly make me want to hate the IDF just by your association ?

So what I said and say say makes you hate the IDF? that's moronically a huge lie showing the trolling style of the typical banned Rooster vermin!

Cannot make up your own mind? Shame!
 

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So why are there no women and children in there to be protected from the IDF bombs?

Grasping as straws as usual! I can tell you that the Israeli citizens are using their bomb shelters effectively when they get the pre warnings. Therefore there are so little victims unlike in the Hamas controlled gaza stretch where citizens are forced in harms way with the promisse of virgins!!

These are the guys who were using the tunnel....
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a0_1405927828
 

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So what I said and say say makes you hate the IDF? that's moronically a huge lie showing the trolling style of the typical banned Rooster vermin!

Cannot make up your own mind? Shame!
If you represent the view point of the IDF then it is a loathful institution. Lucky for them I am sure they would publically distance themselves from someone so repugnant. So I won't allow my judgement of a whole group of people be tarnished by one disgusting example of what is allowed to pass for humanity.

If u want to keep suggesting I am someone or something I am not then I suggest you start to cough up some form of justification for your baseless assetion. Or rather just stfu.
 
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Saba'a

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If you represent the view point of the IDF then it is a loathful institution. Lucky for them I am sure they would publically distance themselves from someone so repugnant.

If u want to keep suggesting I am someone or something I am not then I suggest you start to cough up some form of justification for your baseless assetion. Or rather just stfu.
You know he wont because he doesnt like facts and he is a troll.
 

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Gary please acknowledge that there's a potent motive for either side to manufacture and distort facts for propaganda purposes. Please try post the facts via a third party objective source.
I agree. We need objective sources. Both sides (Hamas and IDF) have a motive to show propaganda.
 

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Is that an admission of IDF war crimes ?

I have no doubt individual units in IDF have committed war crimes. In fact I'm sure even higher up the chain there are efforts cover up war crimes. Happens with every country involved in any conflict there has ever been. I'm surprised this is news to you.

Which part of this is unclear ?

Still doesn't prevent the Palestinians electing leaders into power who spend their efforts improving the lives of the average Palestinian. Even if they have to concede elements of their sovereignty and security to Israel for a significant period of time.

In Gaza in the last 9 years what has the Palestinian leadership done for them? What has Israel gained? In fact Palestinians rights have even be further curtailed since the occupation ended.

This is what you want? An independent state run by barbaric extremists? Where homosexuals are hung from cranes, where the only place in the M.E homosexuals have any rights are living under the constant threat of rocket attacks and suicide bombings.
 

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Gary please acknowledge that there's a potent motive for either side to manufacture and distort facts for propaganda purposes. Please try post the facts via a third party objective source.

So we must rather believe your thumb sucked view that it's a unused palestine bomb shelter. I presume the IDF chased all the citizens out of the shelter before they took the photo and cleaned it so it can't be seen as a shelter that was used by palestinians civilians.

Shame!
 

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So we must rather believe your thumb sucked view that it's a unused palestine bomb shelter. I presume the IDF chased all the citizens out of the shelter before they took the photo and cleaned it so it can't be seen as a shelter that was used by palestinians civilians.

Shame!
Yeah. You make great sense as always. Occam's razor suggests it only looks like a bombs shelter because it isn't one and the IDF cleaned it out to make it look like one.

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TRUCE ELUSIVE AS HAMAS, ISRAEL STICK TO POSITIONS
By IBRAHIM BARZAK and PETER ENAV
Associated Press

The top Hamas leader in the Gaza Strip signaled Monday that the Islamic militant group will not agree to an unconditional cease-fire with Israel, while Israel's defense minister pledged to keep fighting "as long as necessary" - raising new doubt about the highest-level mediation mission in two weeks.

U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry were heading to Cairo on Monday to try to end the deadliest conflict between Israel and Gaza's Hamas rulers in just over five years.

Meanwhile, cross-border fighting continued unabated, with Israeli strikes leaving entire families buried under rubble and Hamas militants firing more than 50 rockets and trying to sneak into Israel through two tunnels, the latest in a series of such attempts.

For the second day in a row, the daily Palestinian death toll surpassed 100 on Monday, pushing the total number killed since the new round of fighting began on July 8 to at least 566, Palestinian officials said, adding that some 3,350 have been wounded.

Seven Israeli soldiers also were killed Monday in clashes with Palestinian militants, the Israeli military said. That raised the overall Israeli death toll to 27, including two civilians. The Israeli military said four soldiers were killed in a firefight with Hamas fighters trying to sneak into Israel through a tunnel, and that the other three were killed in battles in Gaza.

Mounting casualties on both sides have led international officials to step up diplomatic efforts to end the worst bout of fighting between the two sides since 2009.

On Monday, President Barack Obama reaffirmed his belief that Israel has the right to defend itself against rockets being launched by Hamas into Israel. Yet he contended that Israel's military action in Gaza had already done "significant damage" to the Hamas terrorist infrastructure and said he doesn't want to see more civilians getting killed.

Israeli fighter planes struck homes and a high-rise tower in Gaza, in at least four cases burying more than two or more members of a single family under the rubble, said Ashraf al-Kidra, a Palestinian health official. Eleven people were killed and 30 wounded in an airstrike on the Gaza City tower, which has 40 apartments, the officials said.

Also, rescuers going through the wreckage of a house targeted late Sunday retrieved 28 bodies in the town of Khan Younis, including at least 24 from the Abu Jamea family, according to al-Kidra and a local human rights group.

"Doesn't this indicate that Israel is ruthless?" said family member Sabri Abu Jamea. "Are we the liars? The evidence is here in the morgue refrigerators. The evidence is in the refrigerators."

Israeli tank shells also hit the Al Aqsa Hospital in the central town of Deir el-Balah, killing at least four people and wounding 60, al-Kidra said.

A doctor at the hospital, Fayez Zidane, said the third and fourth floors and the reception area were damaged, and patients were evacuated to the lower flowers.

The Israeli military said an initial investigation suggests that anti-tank missiles were stored near the hospital and that the cache was successfully targeted. "Civilian casualties are a tragic inevitability of the brutal and systematic exploitation of homes, hospitals and mosques in Gaza," the army said.

The military has consistently said it makes great efforts to minimize civilian casualties but Hamas puts Gazans in danger by hiding weapons and fighters in residential areas.

In fighting, the Israeli military said 10 Hamas infiltrators trying to sneak in through the tunnels were killed after being detected and targeted by Israeli aircraft.

Hamas also fired 50 more rockets at Israel, including two at Tel Aviv, causing no injuries or damage. Since the start of the Israeli operation, Hamas has fired almost 2,000 rockets at Israel.

Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon said the Gaza military operation would have no time limit.

"If needed we will recruit more reservists in order to continue the operation as long as necessary until the completion of the task and the return of the quiet in the whole of Israel especially from the threat of the Gaza Strip," Yaalon told a parliamentary committee.

Israel accepted an Egyptian call for an unconditional cease-fire last week, but resumed its military operation after Hamas rejected the proposal.

Hamas says that before halting fire, it wants guarantees that Israel and Egypt will significantly ease a seven-year border blockade of Gaza.

Ismail Haniyeh, the top Hamas leader in Gaza, signaled Monday that his group is sticking to its position.

He said the aim of the battle is to break the 7-year-old blockade of the Palestinian territory, which was imposed by Israel and Egypt after Hamas overran Gaza in 2007. Over the past year, Egypt has further tightened restrictions, driving Hamas into a deep financial crisis.

Haniyeh said in a televised speech that "we cannot go back, we cannot go back to the silent death" of the blockade.

He said all of Gaza's 1.7 million residents shared this demand.

"Gaza has decided to end the blockade by its blood and by its courage," he said. "This siege, this unjust siege, must be lifted."

Kerry left Washington early Monday for Cairo, where he will join diplomatic efforts to resume a truce that had been agreed to in November 2012. He was expected to urge the militant Palestinian group to accept an Egyptian-offered cease-fire agreement.

Cairo's cease-fire plan is backed by the U.S. and Israel. But Hamas has rejected the Egyptian plan and is relying on governments in Qatar and Turkey for an alternative proposal. Qatar and Turkey have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, which is also linked to Hamas but banned in Egypt.

Hamas remains deeply suspicious of the motives of the Egyptian government, which has banned the Muslim Brotherhood, a region-wide to which Hamas also belongs.

Israel invaded Gaza late last week, preceded by a 10-day air campaign. Air and artillery strikes have targeted Gaza's border areas in an attempt to destroy tunnels and rocket launchers.


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Date : 21 Jul 2014 20:59
 

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MORE THAN 100,000 PALESTINIANS DISPLACED IN GAZA: UN

The UN agency for Palestinian refugees said Monday the number of people seeking refuge at its sites in Gaza to escape a two-week-old Israeli offensive on the enclave has soared to more than 100,000.

"This is a watershed moment for UNRWA, now that the number of people seeking refuge with us is more than double the figure we saw in the 2009 Gaza conflict," climbing to above 100,000, the agency's spokesman Christopher Gunness said in a statement.

UNRWA says it has opened 69 shelters in the war-torn Gaza Strip to cope with the rising numbers of displaced people, as Israel rains down air strikes, tank and artillery shells on homes, offices and other targets in its campaign to stamp out militant rocket fire.

The conflict, the bloodiest since December 2009-January 2010, has killed more than 570 Palestinians and 27 Israelis, including two civilians.

The death toll and number of displaced has risen rapidly since Israel began a ground offensive late Thursday, after 10 days of aerial and naval bombardment.


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Date : 21 Jul 2014 21:22
 

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EMIRATES PLEDGES $41 MN AID FOR GAZA RECONSTRUCTION

The United Arab Emirates said Monday it will offer nearly $41 million in aid for the reconstruction of Gaza homes hit by Israel's military offensive against rocket-firing militants.

Of that figure, 150 million dirhams ($40 million) was part of an agreement between Abu Dhabi and the Emirati Red Crescent and the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, according to the Red Crescent.

The initiative was aimed at reconstructing "damaged homes and rehabilitating hospitals, education and services" hit by Israeli military strikes in the Gaza Strip, the organisation's president, Sheikh Hamdan Ben Zayed Al-Nahyan, was quoted as saying in a statement.

The UAE government already pledged $52 million in humanitarian aid for Palestinians in the coastal enclave in the early stages of the Israeli military offensive.

Hundreds of residential buildings have been damaged since July 8, when Israel launched the assault that has now killed 572 Palestinians and 27 Israelis, including 25 soldiers.


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Date : 21 Jul 2014 21:40
 

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So we must rather believe your thumb sucked view that it's a unused palestine bomb shelter. I presume the IDF chased all the citizens out of the shelter before they took the photo and cleaned it so it can't be seen as a shelter that was used by palestinians civilians.

Shame!
Of course because then we would have seen its a bomb shelter. You really dont get the point or, lets be generous to the ..., refuse to.
 

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Yeah. You make great sense as always. Occam's razor suggests it only looks like a bombs shelter because it isn't one and the IDF cleaned it out to make it look like one.

:rolleyes:

Lets see which idiot suggested that it's a bomb shelter!

Seem quite elaborate for mere tunnels. Could those not be bomb shelters ? Certainly the recent events of the last 10 years justify the motive of people requiring bomb shelters ?

From an eXspert tunnel engineer!
 
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