Conflict flares up in Gaza again

[Hiro ZA]

Dude, you need to study some history. The people living there hated the Ottoman empire just as much as they hated the Jews.
But there WERE Jews already living there among them... quite peacefully actually.
The conflict only flared up AFTER the Western nations called on the people living there to rise up against the Ottomans after the first world war.

yes, there was peace between the majority ARAB and minority JEW population in Palestine. and it would have continued in such fashion, but for the zionist mandate of Herr Herzl

 

[LazyLion]

The protests in Berlin are characterised by anti-Semitic chants, same with the protests in Joburg the other day.
And you want to tell me this is NOT about anti-Semitism?

 

[LazyLion]

wow, so one zionist author agrees with the Israel Occupation Army action ? colour me surprised. have you taken a look at the GLOBAL protests in support of Gaza and against israel? has it sunk in that the ENTIRE WORLD can see this for the slaughter that it is ?? not just other Arabs, not just other Muslims, but people on countries as far and wide as Mexico and Venezuela.

No, don't see that... maybe you can post some links?
Like I said... that is my position... like it or not.

 

[Cray]

The protests in Berlin are characterised by anti-Semitic chants, same with the protests in Joburg the other day.
And you want to tell me this is NOT about anti-Semitism?

There might be some anti-Semitism involved, you stated that it was ALL based on anti-Semitism. If you are going to make sweeping statements then you should be able to defend them, or do you think that Jews that oppose what Israel is doing in Gaza are also being anti-Semitic?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html

Cries of anti-Semitism are used to deflect legitimate criticism just like certain members of the ANC in this country cry racism.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

wow, so one zionist author agrees with the Israel Occupation Army action ? colour me surprised. have you taken a look at the GLOBAL protests in support of Gaza and against israel? has it sunk in that the ENTIRE WORLD can see this for the slaughter that it is ?? not just other Arabs, not just other Muslims, but people on countries as far and wide as Mexico and Venezuela.

I'm sure we just missed your outrage at the 270 people killed in Syria in a single incident a few days ago. Oh, and I'm sure we also just missed your outrage at the 170 000 dead in Syria. Probably also missed your outrage at the 1800 Palestinian refugees murdered by the Syrian regime?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

There might be some anti-Semitism involved, you stated that it was ALL based on anti-Semitism. If you are going to make sweeping statements then you should be able to defend them, or do you think that Jews that oppose what Israel is doing in Gaza are also being anti-Semitic?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html

Cries of anti-Semitism are used to deflect legitimate criticism just like certain members of the ANC in this country cry racism.

Large parts of the outrage is about it being anti-Israel and not pro-Palestine. Look at the death and destruction meted out against people elsewhere and not a single peep is heard.

 

[lived666]

Cries of anti-Semitism are used to deflect legitimate criticism just like certain members of the ANC in this country cry racism.

LOL, ok, so burning jewish owned shops or attacking jews in synagogues is oh just cries of anti semitism, not real antisemitism
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/2...gue-firebombed-in-paris-intifada-photosvideo/

The neighborhood’s main kosher grocery Naouri was burned to a shell as was a local Jewish owned pharmacy. The nearby synagogue in Garges was firebombed

but heck, this isnt anti semitism

 

[Hiro ZA]

No, don't see that... maybe you can post some links?
Like I said... that is my position... like it or not.

no problem, have a look at how your beloved israel is ruining the image for the average Jew :

http://www.popularresistance.org/38-countries-protesting-israeli-attack-on-gaza/

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/worldwide-protest-israeli.html

http://rt.com/news/174280-anti-israel-protest-world/

King & Queen of Sweden support the plight of Gaza :


as you can see from above, many "non-Muslim/non-Arab" people are protesting. so is every single one of them an "anti-semite" ? Or perhaps, and you better sit down for this, perhaps they are ANTI-SLAUGHTER ? perhaps they are opposed to the inhumane actions of the Zionist Occupation Army ?

like i said, zionism is giving Judaism a terrible name.

 

[LazyLion]

ZUMA TO DISPATCH TEAM TO ISRAEL

President Jacob Zuma is to send a special team to Israel and Palestine as fighting in the Gaza strip intensifies, International Relations Minister Maite Nkoana-Mashabane said on Tuesday.

"The restoration of lasting peace in the Middle East is in our interest," Nkoana-Mashabane said while delivering her budget vote speech in Parliament.

"In this respect, President Zuma will be dispatching a team, led by our former deputy minister Aziz Pahad, to Israel and Palestine to convey our growing concern with the escalation of violence there, including the endless wanton killing of Palestinian civilians and the destruction of homes in Gaza."

Zuma would invite Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas to undertake a working visit to South Africa.

Nkoana-Mashabane's comments come two days after Zuma called on both the Israeli defence force and Hamas militia to stop hostilities.

Zuma called on Israel to withdraw troops from the Gaza strip, while at the same time condemning Hamas's firing of rockets into Israel.

He called on the two sides to agree on a ceasefire and resume talks aimed at finding a permanent solution to their conflict.

Tuesday marked the 15th day of the deadliest violence in the enclave in five years.

News agency Agence France-Presse reported that close to 600 people had been killed so far.


Source : Sapa /cp/jk/jje/th
Date : 22 Jul 2014 11:27

 

[Cray]

LOL, ok, so burning jewish owned shops or attacking jews in synagogues is oh just cries of anti semitism, not real antisemitism
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/2...gue-firebombed-in-paris-intifada-photosvideo/


but heck, this isnt anti semitism

Thanks for the drive by post, read my post history where I was trying to argue that not all criticism of Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism//

 

[lived666]

Thanks for the drive by post, read my post history where I was trying to argue that not all criticism of Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism//

nah bud, its a cop out. easy to hide behind oh I hate Israel but don't mind the jews, really, people still try and pull that one.

 

[LazyLion]

ISRAEL SOLDIER UNACCOUNTED FOR IN GAZA: ARMY

Israeli pathologists have identified 12 out of 13 soldiers killed in Gaza over the weekend, the army said Tuesday, indicating one body was still unaccounted for inside the Palestinian territory.

The announcement came two days after militants from the Islamist Hamas movement claimed they had snatched an Israeli soldier, publishing a name and military identification number, raising fears they had seized his remains.

There were a series of exchanges between the army and Hamas militants in and around Gaza on Sunday and seven were posted missing after the deadliest.

"The identification process of six of the soldiers killed has been completed and confirmed. The efforts to identify the seventh soldier are ongoing and have yet to be determined," an army statement said.

It was not immediately clear whether the entire body was missing, or only part of it.

The army refused to confirm or deny claim by Hamas on Sunday that it had captured a soldier, saying it was investigating, although Israel's ambassador to the UN Ron Prosor said the rumours of an abduction were "untrue".

A spokeswoman flatly denied any possibility that the soldier was alive.

Hamas militants have long sought to abduct soldiers to use as bargaining chips to obtain the release of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel.

In 2006, it captured conscript Gilad Shalit and held him for five years before freeing him in exchange for more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners.

In the same year, Lebanon's Hezbollah also seized and killed two soldiers, triggering a devastating war with Israel, and later exchanging their remains in a massive prisoner exchange.

The unidentified soldier killed on Sunday was part of a group of seven troops from the elite Golani unit who died in an attack on an armoured vehicle in Gaza.

Israeli dog tags carry a soldier's name and his army number, and are designed to be broken in two, with half worn around the neck and the other half inserted into his boot to allow for identification in the event of death.

The death of 13 soldiers on Sunday was the highest single day death toll sustained by the Israeli army since the 2006 Lebanon war.


Source : Sapa-AFP /kd
Date : 22 Jul 2014 11:08

 

[Crowley]

The king AND queen of Sweden?

Holy crap. Lets start supporting the cowardly terrorists who hide behind civilians immediately!

 

[Cray]

Large parts of the outrage is about it being anti-Israel and not pro-Palestine. Look at the death and destruction meted out against people elsewhere and not a single peep is heard.

Sorry, I haven't seen the many pro-Syrian government posters on these boards, perhaps I missed that thread. I think everyone understands that the Syrian oppression is horrific, we just don't seem to have many people on these boards willing to claim that the Syrian government are fully justified in what they are doing.

By the way, are you suggesting that if people don't voice criticism about every human rights atrocity they lose the right to criticise any of them?

 

[Cray]

nah bud, its a cop out. easy to hide behind oh I hate Israel but don't mind the jews, really, people still try and pull that one.

Hatred of Israel is not the same as criticism of it's actions, it's not really a hard concept.

By the way, please explain how the Jewish lady in this article can be anti-Semitic

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html

 

[Hiro ZA]

nah bud, its a cop out. easy to hide behind oh I hate Israel but don't mind the jews, really, people still try and pull that one.

so is this poor Jewish kid also "anti-semitic" ? Look how many brave and noble and heroic IDF soldiers it took to put down this terrorist! they must feel so manly.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=680935605323935&set=vb.153633174720850&type=2&theater

 

[LazyLion]

‘Gas the Jews!’: European anti-Semitism during the Gaza crisis

Since the outbreak of fighting between Israel and Hamas in Gaza, there's been a wave of street-level demonstrations rallying against the war. These protestors are generally highly critical of Israel and blame it for the current round of violence, but the vast majority want an end to the violence and are demanding it peacefully.

But the peaceful demonstrators are not alone in turning out to the streets over the Israel-Gaza conflict. A small-but-disturbing fraction of the international anger over the war has escalated into outright anti-Semitism: shouting "gas the Jews!" during protests in Germany, attacking synagogues in France, and beating a rabbi in Morocco. These attacks are not new: they come at time when anti-Semitic incidents around the world are worryingly on the rise.

To give you a sense of what's going on, here are incidents from four different countries of anti-Semitism during the ongoing Israel-Hamas conflict. The worst reported upswing in anti-Semitism has been in Europe, particularly France, and three of the countries we examine are on the continent.....

Read more...
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/21/5923145/gaza-anti-semitism-europe

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Sorry, I haven't seen the many pro-Syrian government posters on these boards, perhaps I missed that thread. I think everyone understands that the Syrian oppression is horrific, we just don't seem to have many people on these boards willing to claim that the Syrian government are fully justified in what they are doing.

Their silence on way worse atrocities speaks volumes of their intent, though. Especially in light of the fact that it was Palestinians that were killed by the Syrian regime. More than 3 times the amount that have died so far in this latest conflict.

Which is my point, the outrage and bluster is huge when it comes to Israel but either non-existent or incredibly meek when it comes to atrocities elsewhere (even against Palestinians or other Muslims).

Same as in this thread, actually. "Oh yes, Hamas isn't nice, but ISRAEL IS EVULLLLL!" They can never quite get it right to condemn atrocities out of principle, but only because of the perpetrator.

By the way, are you suggesting that if people don't voice criticism about every human rights atrocity they lose the right to criticise any of them?

Nope.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

so is this poor Jewish kid also "anti-semitic" ? Look how many brave and noble and heroic IDF soldiers it took to put down this terrorist! they must feel so manly.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=680935605323935&set=vb.153633174720850&type=2&theater

Almost as manly as Hamas when they throw people off roofs or executive people in the street and drag their corpses behind motorcycles.

 

[LazyLion]

Anti-Semitic Rallies Held in Cities Across Germany
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/22/anti-semitic-rallies-held-in-cities-across-germany/

Gaza conflict: France criticises 'anti-Semitic' riot
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28402882

Anti-Semitic vandalism discovered at US country club
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crim...tic-vandalism-westwood-country-club/12962085/

Anti-Semitic letters left on cars in primarily Jewish US neighborhood
http://abc7chicago.com/religion/ant...cars-in-primarily-jewish-neighborhood/205979/

Anti-Semitic Graffiti Painted Across Stratford, UK
http://foxct.com/2014/07/21/anti-semetic-graffiti-painted-across-stratford/