Conflict flares up in Gaza again

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Grant

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Israel confirms soldier missing as violence ramps up

An Israeli soldier is missing following a deadly battle in the Gaza Strip, a defense official said Tuesday as Israeli forces continued their air, land and sea offensive against Hamas.

On Sunday evening, Hamas spokesman Mushir al-Masri in Gaza claimed his group had captured an Israeli soldier, a claim Israel initially denied. An announcement on Gaza TV of the soldier's capture set off celebration in the streets of the West Bank.
Several media sites are reporting that the IDF identified the missing soldier as 21-year-old Oron Shaul from Poria. According to media reports, the IDF says Shaul is likely dead, but his family is holding out hope until definitive evidence is found.
"As far as we are concerned, as long as the examinations are not completed, as long as the IDF is still working and there are no conclusive findings on the issue – as far as the family is concerned Oron is not dead," said Rachel Gazit, a Shaul family spokesperson.

The development adds a further complication to international efforts to broker a truce to end more than two weeks of fighting that has killed at least 585 Palestinians and 29 Israelis.
Israel has said its campaign, launched July 8, is aimed at stopping Hamas rocket fire into Israel — some 2,000 rockets have been launched over the past two weeks, the military says — and destroying tunnels the military says Hamas has constructed from Gaza into Israel for attacks against Israelis.

"A vehicle carrying 7 soldiers was attacked July 20," the Israeli Defense Forces announced via their official Twitter account, earlier this morning, regarding the missing solider. "We have identified 6 of their bodies. Efforts to identify the 7th soldier are ongoing."
Israel feels a strong need not to leave any of its soldiers behind, including the remains of dead ones, and has engaged in lopsided prisoner swaps with its foes to bring home captured soldiers. In 2008, Israel released five Lebanese militants in exchange for the remains of two soldiers killed in the 2006 Lebanon war.
Also in 2006, Hamas-allied militants seized an Israeli soldier in a cross-border raid and held him captive in Gaza until Israel traded more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners, some of whom were involved in grisly killings, for his return in 2011.
Hamas had threatened in the past to kidnap more Israelis and Israel says the militant group's attacks through tunnels that stretch into Israel are for this purpose.
more:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/22/hamas-israel-conflict/12981215/
 

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About a week old but I hadn't heard about this...

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/What-are-Hamass-conditions-for-a-cease-fire-363011

One day after an Egyptian-brokered cease-fire accepted by Israel, but rejected by Hamas, fell through, the terrorist organization proposed a 10-year end to hostilities in return for its conditions being met by Israel, Channel 2 reported Wednesday.

Hamas's conditions were the release of re-arrested Palestinian prisoners who were let go in the Schalit deal, the opening of Gaza-Israel border crossings in order to allow citizens and goods to pass through, and international supervision of the Gazan seaport in place of the current Israeli blockade.
 

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As Jon Stewart said on the Daily Show:
"Evacuate to where? Have you f**king seen Gaza? Israel blocked this border, Egypt blocked this border. What, are they supposed to swim for it?"
 

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Hammas targets Israeli civilians.
IDF targets militants.

Hammas hides behind civilians.
IDF protects their civilians and warns Palestinian civilians.

IDF has now had 1 temporary and two indefinite ceasfires.
Hammas broke all 3 of them.

Everyone condemns IDF?
 

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Hammas targets Israeli civilians.
IDF targets militants.

Hammas hides behind civilians.
IDF protects their civilians and warns Palestinian civilians.

IDF has now had 1 temporary and two indefinite ceasfires.
Hammas broke all 3 of them.

Everyone condemns IDF?

I think you will find Hamas comes in for a lot of criticism in this thread. IDF targeting militants doesn't explain the deaths of the 4 children on the beach in Gaza or the shelling of a hospital.
 

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Let's not forget the catalyst to this mess was the kidnapping and murder of 3 Israeli teenagers... It all started there and has escalated into what it is today!! Tragic...

RIP 3 innocent Israeli teenagers :(

I totally agree with everything in this brilliant article: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28371966

Those poor women and kids were unfortunately caught in the cross-fire :( They died because they were hiding in those buildings to escape the intense conflict. IDF could have done more to minimize civilian casualties as much as possible.
 

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I haven't formed an opinion on them yet,initial reports claim they are Taliban/al Qaeda etc but in light of how unreliable and biased recent media agencies reports have been its hard to use these as a basis to judge.

Lets see how it goes,a caliphate will help bring unity to the Muslim world especially when it comes to radical groups like Boko haram who claim to be Islamic etc it will be easy to unanimously denounce them but my main issue with a Caliphate is who will run it?I somehow just cant see the right person put in there and somehow feel it will just end up being some dictator.Hence I honestly haven't formed an opinion on it yet.



Really,that makes no sense at all,why don't we rather have an international effort to isolate and destroy the IDF since they are the ones responsible for the most civilian deaths and the ones violating international law but instead you suggest we should rather take away the little bit of fight the jailed up Palestinians have in them.:erm:

Hamas is not the issue,the issue is simple:ISRAEL is on illegal occupied land.At the very least Israel should revert to 1948 borders then use that point to say OK we want this land and we wont back of any further and we will fight for this with extreme force nobody should criticise us,but any other way leaves Israel as PURELY the ONLY aggressor in this conflict.If Israel goes back to its 1948 borders and Hamas is still attacking it then I guess the world and even Palestinian would say enough of the fighting we can settle for peace.But until that time comes I don't see why you perceive Hamas as the aggressor when Israel is occupying illegal land and keeping Gaza as a huge prison.

Hamas rockets are only hitting illegally occupied land,this is perfectly acceptable under international law.

Sure, I can't disagree with your opinion on the land. Israel must do more and it is not unreasonable to expect they return stolen land land. And what you say makes sense but of course it will never come to pass because the Israeli's need security, and Hamas won't give them any.

So where does that leave us? Same place we are now, people are dying by the hundreds. More and more innocent people caught up in this mess and my point is it has to stop. Like, now! And in the current situation, Hamas are as guilty as Israel for every innocent death. That's now, forget history.

So it's about time the world stops this simplistic one eyed approach and isolates Hamas from their current path and destructive policies. They are using their own people as pawns and it's as sickening as the IDF taking them up on the challenge.

Exactly Hamas is attacking illegally occupied land which is perfectly legal ,why do people still think Hamas is the aggressor?

Why does international law mean nothing to pro Israeli supporters?

People are dying dude. Fsck politics.
 

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I think you will find Hamas comes in for a lot of criticism in this thread. IDF targeting militants doesn't explain the deaths of the 4 children on the beach in Gaza or the shelling of a hospital.

I really do wish we had transparency into military intelligence but unfortunately for obvious reasons we don't. It will probably be a very long time before we see what "intelligence" led them to target those sites and whether claims made by them were true, misinformed or they were genuinely acting maliciously. It's pointless to speculate on this as no one really knows.
 
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