Conflict flares up in Gaza again

[marine1]

But you seem to so it cant be that bad can it?

Explains why you don't read your own steaming pile of horse manure.

Edit: Do you argue in real life by sticking your hands in your ears and shouting at the top of your lungs?

 

[Cray]

But you seem to so it cant be that bad can it?

Indeed, I find the attempt to blindly support a position without trying to entertain counter arguments fascinating.

 

[falcon786]

Dude...stop now.

You're not even throwing out the new crud. You're spewing the old stuff that's been debunked so many times that very few people are dof enough to still be punting it.

You're embarrassing yourself and doing damage to your own cause.

Why should I stop with the truth and facts already?Facts don't change and neither does the truth.Israeli propaganda can try to change the truth but the reality is there for those who want to see it and I will keep on pointing it out for those who don't know the facts.

Genocide? Do you really, honestly believe that? With the firepower they have at their disposal (and have had for decades), do you really think they wouldn't have been able to demolish Gaza and the West Bank completely if they wanted to?

Yep I agree its not yet genocide that's why I said its "almost" genocide.The only reason Israel hasn't taken the remaining Palestinian land is because the Palestinians are packed like sardines in a can in their remaining quarters and the only way for Israel to take it without incorporating Palestinians into their elite society is genocide.They are probably afraid of the negative press hence why they haven't done it but if they could believe me they would have already.

Because the Arab States decided to go to war instead of helping to build a Palestinian State, which the UN partition plan aimed to do.

They didn't accept the UN partition to give the indigenous peoples land to invaders,I don't see a problem with that.

You say "Jewish Land"

What you should say is incorporated in to a democracy, where everyone is free to live and vote.

I didn't say Jewish land or mention Jews at all.I did say Zionist though.I don't know where you saw "jewish land"

But yes Israel is not an open democracy free for Palestinians to live in and vote,if it was they would have all flocked there by now and voted and lived in peace and harmony in one state(Palestine would have been incorporated gladly into a proper democratic Israel)

very bad at Genocide those damn Jews

I don't see anybody criticising Jews,every poster here is criticising Israel/Zionists.There are many decent Jews around the world and even tons even living in Israel who protest anti-Torah Zionist actions.As a Jew I would have thought you knew this by now..Guess you don't know much about Israel or Judaism after all then.

 

[sparticus]

Yup Israel has accepted the conditions, Hamas the scumbag terrorists have not.
Nut the wold will continue to be against Israel
Israel should not accept this deal and continue to go after Hamas, damned if you do damned if you dont .....so do it anyway

Yes yes , Israel are victims in this whole saga.........jeez

 

[alloytoo]

The Native Americans where active combatants when defending their land, it doesn't mean the deliberate reduction of there numbers wan't genocide.

I think you'll find genocide refers to the systemic or deliberate killing of non-combatants, civilians, woman and children, and yes, there are probably many historical instances which qualify.

The Palestinians don't. Though one might argue that their declared intent and actions (though ineffective) do.

 

[sparticus]

Are you being funny or just trolling? Defenseless people hey? Lol what a joke. These defenseless people are terrorists and murderers.
As for Israel accepting the deal its because they value life. Hamas dont.
We can do this all day , soon you will need to realise Hamas are terrorists and love death for their own people

I am going to ask this question again cos I dont think it was answered and reference was once again made to it , I read the below in an article a few days ago , I want to know if its true. ? According to articles I read it is , is there another side to it though ?

In 1947 Israel was given 56% of the whole of Palestine but since then they occupied about 80% of Palestinian land today.

 

[Cray]

I think you'll find genocide refers to the systemic or deliberate killing of non-combatants, civilians, woman and children, and yes, there are probably many historical instances which qualify.

The Palestinians don't. Though one might argue that their declared intent and actions (though ineffective) do.

I agree that the current situation regarding the Palestinians does not qualify, however the dictionary definition makes no mention of the actions of the people being killed, only that it is a deliberate attempt by the people committing the act, regardless of justification.

The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/genocide?q=genocide

 

[sparticus]

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So wait , if I get this right , when it says that 50% of the land was not owned by Palestines it was merely land not owned by Jews ? Does that mean it was reserved for them ? If so By whom ?

 

[alloytoo]

Yep I agree its not yet genocide that's why I said its "almost" genocide.The only reason Israel hasn't taken the remaining Palestinian land is because the Palestinians are packed like sardines in a can in their remaining quarters and the only way for Israel to take it without incorporating Palestinians into their elite society is genocide.They are probably afraid of the negative press hence why they haven't done it but if they could believe me they would have already.

Almost genocide? Palestinian population has grown more than eight times it's number in 1948. Seems like the exact opposite of genocide.

They didn't accept the UN partition to give the indigenous people land to invaders,I don't see a problem with that.

They didn't accept a UN plan to form their own state. In retrospect that was pretty stupid.

But yes Israel is not an open democracy free for Palestinians to live in and vote,if it was they would have all flocked there by now and voted and lived in peace and harmony in one state(Palestine would have been incorporated gladly into a proper democratic Israel)

No democracy in the world extends citizens rights to all and sundry. The very notion is preposterous. The fact is Israel grants her citizens full democratic rights irrespective of race, religion, sex or sexual orientation. None of her neighbours can claim the same.

 

[sparticus]

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Yeah, such cold-hearted terrorists and murderers.

What do you think these children's (or their parents if they survive) views toward Israel are going to be?

How would you react if that happened to you and your family?

This was my point the other day as well , as much as I oppose suicide bombing etc , I can understand why a person would do such a thing , If anyone of my kids would be hurt never mind killed , bombed etc I would probably turn out to be an "extremist" against the perpetrators.

 

[Saba'a]

Not when they post crap over and over gaain

Pot kettle

 

[alloytoo]

This was my point the other day as well , as much as I oppose suicide bombing etc , I can understand why a person would do such a thing , If anyone of my kids would be hurt never mind killed , bombed etc I would probably turn out to be an "extremist" against the perpetrators.

Would you deliberately encourage your children to form a human shield around you while you deliberately fired rockets at civilian targets?

 

[Saba'a]

I think you'll find genocide refers to the systemic or deliberate killing of non-combatants, civilians, woman and children, and yes, there are probably many historical instances which qualify.

The Palestinians don't. Though one might argue that their declared intent and actions (though ineffective) do.

In that case read up Jenin and other killings of unarmed palestinian refugees (many via Israeli proxy groups)

 

[Saba'a]

Almost genocide? Palestinian population has grown more than eight times it's number in 1948. Seems like the exact opposite of genocide.



They didn't accept a UN plan to form their own state. In retrospect that was pretty stupid.



No democracy in the world extends citizens rights to all and sundry. The very notion is preposterous. The fact is Israel grants her citizens full democratic rights irrespective of race, religion, sex or sexual orientation. None of her neighbours can claim the same.

USA sponsor of Israel welcomed Jews with open arms. Israel welcomes all jews but dont allow palestinian Israeli citizens to bring in spouses.

 

[daveza]

Would you deliberately encourage your children to form a human shield around you while you deliberately fired rockets at civilian targets?

Any evidence to back that up ?

 

[Crowley]

Any evidence to back that up ?

https://www.google.co.za/search?q=h...aA7Qa79IGABg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=775

 

[sparticus]

Would you deliberately encourage your children to form a human shield around you while you deliberately fired rockets at civilian targets?

Bru lets just get a little serious here , apologies for the foul language but dont talk *** to me. Dont even for once second blame the death of kids on their parents when they are killed in the bedrooms , bombed in their sleep , while they eat etc because their neighbors are targets. Sies man , are you that blinded ? What about the young man that was killed trying to watch the world cup at shack on the beach , who was his neighbor ?

 

[Crowley]

Bru lets just get a little serious here , apologies for the foul language but dont talk *** to me. Dont even for once second blame the death of kids on their parents when they are killed in the bedrooms , bombed in their sleep , while they eat etc because their neighbors are targets. Sies man , are you that blinded ? What about the young man that was killed trying to watch the world cup at shack on the beach , who was his neighbor ?

Yes, it's all Israel's fault.

 

[alloytoo]

In that case read up Jenin and other killings of unarmed palestinian refugees (many via Israeli proxy groups)

The one where the UN determined that 52 Palestinians had been killed, and maybe half were civilians?

 

[falcon786]

Almost genocide? Palestinian population has grown more than eight times it's number in 1948. Seems like the exact opposite of genocide.

You are misunderstanding me,I agree completely its not genocider.But from a time line perspective the only way forward for Israel if they want the rest of the land without incorporating Palestinians into there land is genocide hence why I said "almost" genocide,implying tense.I honestly believe the situation is that bad out there right now and I can see such an outcome going forward,as I said the only thing holding Israel back is the negative press and possible backlash that'll come with it.Honestly if they could have they would have,you want proof?Look no further than on this very thread,marine1's attitude shows this hard-line Zionist stance clearly when he says dammed if you do dammed if you don't.

They didn't accept a UN plan to form their own state. In retrospect that was pretty stupid.

Not really no the plan was flawed and favoured the Zionists,if the plan was fair then they would have gladly accepted it.

No democracy in the world extends citizens rights to all and sundry. The very notion is preposterous. The fact is Israel grants her citizens full democratic rights irrespective of race, religion, sex or sexual orientation. None of her neighbours can claim the same.

Lol easy for you to say,your ancestors were not living in what is now Israel farming peacefully before the worst mistake in the last century by the UN in 1948 gave the sovereignty of your lands away to Israel.