Conflict flares up in Gaza again

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alloytoo

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And now I've seen it.Its good though,shows your not an idiot,I wonder how those that approve these things in the Israeli government think though doesn't it?You think those people are even remotely interested in peace?

You keep referring to the Israel as if it were a typical middle east country that changes it's government once in a while due to a coup.

I've told you, Israel is a democracy that has had many changes in government.
 

marine1

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Amazing how so many Indians / Muslims here are calling for Hitler to return and wipe out the Jews and you want to tell me this isnt about Jews?
Like Muhammad Zakariya Bholat from Eskom, dont worry I am sure the HRC will be giving you a call. Racist prick
 

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Bud you are wasting your time. These guys have not even been there but are experts on all things Israel.
You keep referring to the Israel as if it were a typical middle east country that changes it's government once in a while due to a coup.

I've told you, Israel is a democracy that has had many changes in government.
 

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HAMAS MEETS EGYPT TRUCE CALL WITH ROCKET FIRE
by Karin Laub and Peter Enav

Gaza militants on Tuesday met Egypt's call for a quick truce with repeated rocket fire on Israel and senior Hamas officials rejected the proposal, saying they weren't consulted. Israel accepted Cairo's plan, but warned it would strike Gaza even harder than it has so far - if Hamas didn't abide by the proposal as well.

The Islamic militant group didn't close the door to truce talks, however. It appeared instead to be holding out for better conditions, with senior officials saying the Egyptian plan offers no tangible achievements, particularly on easing a border blockade of the coastal strip, which has been enforced by Israel and Egypt for the past seven years.

The situation remained volatile, suggesting Egypt's efforts to end a week of fighting could quickly run aground. Since the outbreak of cross-border fire on July 8, more than 190 Palestinians have been killed and millions of Israelis have been exposed to rocket fire.

It is the third major round of hostilities between Israel and Hamas in just over five years - but also one in which the impact on Israel has been much mitigated by the success of its 'Iron Dome' air defense system in shooting down Hamas' rockets and preventing Israeli fatalities to date.

The previous bout, in 2012, eventually ended with the help of Egypt, at the time seen as a trusted broker by Hamas.

But Hamas deeply distrusts Egypt's current rulers, who ousted a Hamas-friendly government in Egypt a year ago, and have tightened the border blockade on Gaza.

Under the Egyptian plan, proposed late Monday, a 12-hour period of de-escalation was to begin at mid-morning Tuesday. Once both sides agree to halt hostilities, they would negotiate the terms of a longer-term truce.

Israel accepted the proposal at a Cabinet meeting on Tuesday.

However, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned that "if Hamas rejects the Egyptian proposal and the rocket fire from Gaza does not cease, and that appears to be the case, we are prepared to continue and intensify our operation."

Gaza militants fired at least 35 rockets at Israel after mid-morning Tuesday, hours past the Egypt-proposed time for de-escalation.

The Israeli military said several rockets reached deep into Israel, including near the northern port city of Haifa. Sirens also went off in the towns of Hadera and Zichron Yaakov, more than 100 kilometers (60 miles) north of Gaza.

The military wing of Hamas, which has been responsible for most of the hundreds of rockets launched at Israel in the past week, said the Egyptian plan "wasn't worth the ink it was written with."

Later Tuesday, a Hamas police spokesman reported an Israeli air strike on an apartment in north-eastern Gaza, but the Israeli military denied it had attacked targets in Gaza at the time.

Hamas officials, meanwhile, complained that they hadn't been consulted by Egypt about the cease-fire plan.

They said they need detailed assurances that Gaza's borders will be opened, particularly the Rafah crossing between Gaza and Egypt, the territory's main gate to the world.

Egypt has sharply curtailed travel in and out of Gaza over the past year, following last year's ouster of the Hamas-allied Muslim Brotherhood from power by the Egyptian military.

Hamas also wants to be recognized by Egypt as a partner in any truce efforts. "We did not receive any official draft of this Egyptian proposal," said Sami Abu Zuhri, a senior Hamas official in Gaza. He said the Egyptian plan, as is, is "not acceptable."

Osama Hamdan, a key aide to top Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal, told The Associated Press that Hamas has a series of demands, including the release of Hamas activists arrested by Israel in the West Bank in recent weeks and a complete opening of the Rafah crossing.

Another Hamas official, Moussa Abu Marzouk, sounded more conciliatory, saying internal consultations on the cease-fire proposal are continuing.

Hamas officials are weary of promises by Egypt and Israel to ease the border blockade. Such promises were also part of a truce that ended more than a week of fighting in 2012, but were not fully implemented as the strip remained under blockade.

An easing of the blockade of the coastal strip is key to the survival of Hamas.

Before the outbreak of the latest round of fighting, the militant group found itself in a serious financial crisis because a particularly tight closure by Egypt had prevented cash and goods from coming into the strip through hundreds of smuggling tunnels under the Gaza-Egypt border.

In Israel, the decision to accept the cease-fire was praised by the centrist Israeli opposition, but elicited strong criticism from lawmakers and members of Netanyahu's hawkish Likud party, who said the assault did not succeed in halting Hamas' rocket-firing capabilities.

"In the circumstances that have been created we could have achieved a lot more. The threat of rockets has not been removed and the Hamas leadership has not been eliminated," Israel Katz, a Cabinet minister wrote on his Facebook page.


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Date : 15 Jul 2014 13:44
 

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The hardliners are just that. The difference is there are many that dont agree with it, now show me Arabs that support Israel? Few and far between

I don't support Israel,I do however support a single secular state in the area which will protect both the rights of the Jews,Muslims and even the minority Christian groups in the area.Its too late to undo what the UN done in 1948,those Jews that moved in cannot be driven out like sheep as the Israeli's done to the Palestinians.They should be free to stay,even those that came after 1948 and have made the area their home.
 

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You keep referring to the Israel as if it were a typical middle east country that changes it's government once in a while due to a coup.

I've told you, Israel is a democracy that has had many changes in government.

And yet the racist/unfair policies continue,but then again in SA during apartheid it was similar.Still wasn't right.

Amazing how so many Indians / Muslims here are calling for Hitler to return and wipe out the Jews and you want to tell me this isnt about Jews?
Like Muhammad Zakariya Bholat from Eskom, dont worry I am sure the HRC will be giving you a call. Racist prick
Well I dont agree with anyone mentionig Hitler like he was some kind of hero,anybody that supports Hitler is ignorant at best.

1.Jews were massacred by him which is un-Islamic and Inhumane.
2.Hitler also massacred many muslims.
3.All Jews are not Zionists so misplaced hate against Jews because of how the Zionists are killing/oppressing Palestinians is completely unwarranted.

Bud you are wasting your time. These guys have not even been there but are experts on all things Israel.

I've been there once,I don't see how that changes anything.
 
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Thats good,shows you have some common sense after all,I haven't seen you saying that before.

not taking sides here - but i have seen marine make that statement (anti illegal settlements / expansion) both in this thread & others
 

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Um that would be because the Palestinians never formed a nation.

Does not matter, u asking arabs to pack up share and embrace a new world controlled by people that mostly will come from Europe. Ghandi said it best -

Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs... Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home”
 

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But Hamas deeply distrusts Egypt's current rulers, who ousted a Hamas-friendly government in Egypt a year ago, and have tightened the border blockade on Gaza.

i cant see proposals from egypt to be readily accepted by both side - a totally neutral country like japan needs to somehow take ownership of negotiations
 

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not taking sides here - but i have seen marine make that statement (anti illegal settlements / expansion) both in this thread & others

Noted.I had not seen it before that,I must have missed it since I don't read every single post he makes.

That's quite an ask.

It is indeed,but if both sides sit down and start using their heads they will realise that it cant get better any other way after over half a decade of fighting something has to give.They need to learn to find common ground somehow and then begin a slow process of healing,it wont happen instantly but its the only long term solution.
 

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ISRAELI MILITARY SAYS IT'S RESUMED GAZA AIRSTRIKES

The Israeli military says it has resumed airstrikes on Gaza after Hamas militants violated a de-escalation brokered by Egypt.

Military spokesman Lt. Col. Peter Lerner says that after holding its fire for six hours Israel has "resumed operational activities."

The military says that during the six hours Gaza militants fired about 50 rockets all over Israel. No injuries were reported.

The de-escalation period was meant to lead to detailed cease-fire talks between Israel and Hamas and end a week of fighting that has killed more than 190 Palestinians and exposed millions of Israelis to rocket fire from Gaza.

Israel accepted the Egyptian truce plan, but vowed to hit Gaza hard if Hamas rejected the deal.


Source : Sapa-AP /gq
Date : 15 Jul 2014 14:22
 

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Amazing how so many Indians / Muslims here are calling for Hitler to return and wipe out the Jews and you want to tell me this isnt about Jews?
Like Muhammad Zakariya Bholat from Eskom, dont worry I am sure the HRC will be giving you a call. Racist prick



Must agree with you there , thats absolutely disgusting , the problem is not a religious issue at all as well as not a Jewish issue , its a Zionist issue for me. I actually have a few very liked Jewish friends.
 

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You are asking me to go and trust a Muslim in one of the places in South Africa that hates Jews and Israel more than anyone or anywhere else????? Seriously? Ummm no thanks

No one hates Jews , we hate Zionism and the actions of Israel, Thats the diffs between me and you fyi
 

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The hardliners are just that. The difference is there are many that dont agree with it, now show me Arabs that support Israel? Few and far between

Actually that says more about the Israel , think about it , there are Jewish people opposed to the State of Israel , they openly protest against it in the thousands , there are not many Arabs that are pro Israel , I have not see a pro Israel protest yet. Why ? Maybe becos its wrong ?
 
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