Conflict flares up in Gaza again

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OrbitalDawn

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This has nothing to do with the Palestinians. It only concerns Israel.

Wow...it's great being able to selectively ignore stuff. Makes decision making so much easier!

Haven't read the thread, have you?

Greylor said:
Israel gained control, during a defensive war, of land from which the invasions were launched from. They other countries are lucky that they got it back.

One word as to why they would want to keep the land: OIL.

Which they would have kept how exactly? The Sinai Peninsula is about 3 times the size of Israel. Peace with Egypt was way more valuable.
 

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THOUSANDS IN PRO-PALESTINE MARCH

The Economic Freedom Fighters are going to Palestine, EFF MP Magdalene Moonsamy vowed on Wednesday.

Speaking from the back of a truck outside Parliament's main gates in Cape Town, she told a massed crowd of pro-Palestine demonstrators that her party stood with them.

"We are going to go to Gaza... we pledge solidarity with the people of Gaza," Moonsamy said.

Earlier, thousands of chanting demonstrators streamed up Plein Street and gathered outside the parliamentary complex.

The huge crowd, which stretched over several city blocks, held aloft scores of banners and posters, calling for an end to the violence in Palestine's Gaza Strip.

"Israel should be wipe [sic] out of the map" and "Netanyahu: Hitler's clone" were among the poster messages displayed.

The march comes a day after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned that his country was set to "expand and intensify" its campaign against the Palestinian organisation Hamas.

The Jewish state has been conducting air strikes against the Palestinian territory in retaliation for rockets fired out of Gaza into Israel.

Palestinian officials claim at least 200 people have been killed in the air strikes, including children.

"Free, free Palestine!" the protesters chanted outside the parliamentary complex.

Posters held aloft by the crowd proclaimed: "Israel murders children in Gaza" and "Viva Palestine, Viva Hamas".

A group of men wearing taqiyah skullcaps carried a large Palestinian flag.

Speaking to the crowd, several of whom were wearing the distinctive EFF red beret, Moonsamy also called on government to expel Israel's ambassador to South Africa, and to withdraw its own ambassador from Israel.

Outside Parliament's main gates, a dozen policemen, some in body armour, stood impassively behind a strand of yellow tape.

Close by, a young Muslim boy, dressed in a long robe with a keffiyeh scarf draped round his neck, held up a hand printed poster calling on South Africa to "boycott apartheid Israel".

Demonstrators packed the intersection of Plein and Roeland streets, and spilled over into the grounds of St Mary's Cathedral, where a life-size statue of Christ on a wooden cross formed a backdrop to a sea of chequered head gear and speakers calling for an end to Zionism.

The march was organised by the Muslim Judicial Council.

A memorandum was later handed over to the chairman of Parliament's international relations portfolio committee, Siphosezwe Masango.

By 1.30pm, demonstrators could be seen moving peacefully away in small groups down Plein Street.


Source : Sapa /rod/fg/ks/jje
Date : 16 Jul 2014 13:56
 

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GAZA TOLL HITS 208 ON 9TH DAY OF ISRAEL AIR CAMPAIGN

A woman and a child were among three people killed in an Israeli strike on southern Gaza on Wednesday, raising the overall death toll to 208, the emergency services said.

The latest raid took place in the southern city of Khan Yunis, killing three people from the Abu Daqqa family and wounding another five people, Ashraf al-Qudra said.

Among the dead was a 10-year-old boy and a 65-year-old woman, with witnesses saying the missile struck a car in Bani Suheila in the eastern part of the city.

The strike raised Wednesday's death toll to 11, with all the victims killed in the southern Gaza Strip.

Earlier, a strike on a house in Rafah, which straddles Gaza's southern border with Egypt, killed two men, and shortly afterwards, another young man was killed in a second strike, with witnesses identifying him as an Islamic Jihad militant.

A third strike on the city killed another man, Qudra said.

Meanwhile in Khan Yunis, a missile struck the house of Mohammed al-Arjani, killing his 19-year-old son Abdullah.

About an hour later, tank fire from inside Israel hit the eastern part of Khan Yunis, killing one person, Qudra said.

Shortly afterwards, another member of the Abu Daqqa family was also killed in the same area, he said, identifying him as Mahmud Abu Daqqa, 33.

Wednesday's air strikes raised the overall toll from Israel's nine-day operation to 208 Palestinians, with more than 1,550 injured.

According to figures provided by the Gaza-based Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), more than 80 percent of the victims were civilians.

So far, one person has been killed in Israel -- a civilian who died on Tuesday evening in a rocket strike near the northern Erez crossing, medics said. Four Israelis have been seriously wounded.

Since the latest violence began before dawn on July 8, 990 rockets fired from Gaza have struck Israel, and another 244 have been shot down by the Iron Dome anti-missile system, army figures show.

Twenty-four more have struck Israel since midnight (2100 GMT), and another 10 have been intercepted.

In the same period, Israel had struck more than 1,750 "terror targets" across the coastal enclave, the army said.


Source : Sapa-AFP /mr
Date : 16 Jul 2014 13:30
 

Agent_Smith

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EFF to travel to Palestine???

Erm, anyone willing to chip in for a one way ticket??

From iol.co.za

Cape Town - The Economic Freedom Fighters are going to Palestine, EFF MP Magdalene Moonsamy vowed on Wednesday.

Speaking from the back of a truck outside Parliament's main gates in Cape Town, she told a massed crowd of pro-Palestine demonstrators that her party stood with them.

“We are going to go to Gaza... we pledge solidarity with the people of Gaza,” Moonsamy said.

Earlier, thousands of chanting demonstrators streamed up Plein Street and gathered outside the parliamentary complex.

The huge crowd, which stretched over several city blocks, held aloft scores of banners and posters, calling for an end to the violence in Palestine's Gaza Strip.

“Israel should be wipe (sic) out of the map” and “Netanyahu: Hitler's clone” were among the poster messages displayed.

The march comes a day after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned that his country was set to “expand and intensify” its campaign against the Palestinian organisation Hamas.

The Jewish state has been conducting air strikes against the Palestinian territory in retaliation for rockets fired out of Gaza into Israel.

Palestinian officials claim at least 200 people have been killed in the air strikes, including children.

“Free, free Palestine!” the protesters chanted outside the parliamentary complex.

Posters held aloft by the crowd proclaimed: “Israel murders children in Gaza” and “Viva Palestine, Viva Hamas”.

A group of men wearing taqiyah skullcaps carried a large Palestinian flag.

Speaking to the crowd, several of whom were wearing the distinctive EFF red beret, Moonsamy also called on government to expel Israel's ambassador to South Africa, and to withdraw its own ambassador from Israel.

Outside Parliament's main gates, a dozen policemen, some in body armour, stood impassively behind a strand of yellow tape.

Close by, a young Muslim boy, dressed in a long robe with a keffiyeh scarf draped round his neck, held up a hand printed poster calling on South Africa to “boycott apartheid Israel”.

Demonstrators packed the intersection of Plein and Roeland streets, and spilled over into the grounds of St Mary's Cathedral, where a life-size statue of Christ on a wooden cross formed a backdrop to a sea of chequered head gear and speakers calling for an end to Zionism.

The march was organised by the Muslim Judicial Council.

A memorandum was later handed over to the chairman of Parliament's international relations portfolio committee, Siphosezwe Masango.

By 1.30pm, demonstrators could be seen moving peacefully away in small groups down Plein Street.
 

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Make sure Malema goes with, and one of Israels rockets goes to the wrong location when its fired.....
 

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What do they aim to achieve?

Seeing as they are being paid by the taxpayers of SOUTH AFRICA one would expect the mp's to dedicate their time and effort to resolve the problems we have in this country and not to fly halfway around the world to go and tell some other country that they are not 'happy' with what they are doing.
 

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Haven't read the thread, have you?

Enlighten me.

When you say "return to 1948 borders" I assume you mean "return to 1948 borders."



Which they would have kept how exactly? The Sinai Peninsula is about 3 times the size of Israel. Peace with Egypt was way more valuable.

Israel held onto it for something like 12 years despite the odd war here and there. As long as there was a threat, they held it successfully. They gave it up when an agreement was reached to stop the strategic fighting and kept the area demilitarized...and more importantly was the first time an Arab nation officially recognized Israel. And then there was (relative) peace.
 

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Enlighten me.

When you say "return to 1948 borders" I assume you mean "return to 1948 borders."

Egypt, Syria and Jordan aren't in need of a country.

I naturally didn't imply turning back the clock in every possible way.

But anyway, I like hellfire's idea of going to the table without any preconceived borders in mind and rather focusing on building something feasible and sustainable from the here and now.

Greylor said:
Israel held onto it for something like 12 years despite the odd war here and there. As long as there was a threat, they held it successfully. They gave it up when an agreement was reached to stop the strategic fighting and kept the area demilitarized...and more importantly was the first time an Arab nation officially recognized Israel. And then there was (relative) peace.

Indeed, because the peace treaty (and recognition) was more important at the time, strategically speaking.
 

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Egypt, Syria and Jordan aren't in need of a country.

I naturally didn't imply turning back the clock in every possible way.

But anyway, I like hellfire's idea of going to the table without any preconceived borders in mind and rather focusing on building something feasible and sustainable from the here and now.

Aye, that would be good.

The problem is that the entire process can be derailed by something as ridiculous as the walkway to some mosque or temple somewhere.

The whole place is like a raw exposed nerve. The moment a gust of wind blows over it the whole region goes Hulk on itself.



Indeed, because the peace treaty (and recognition) was more important at the time, strategically speaking.

It sets the precedent though. Talk peace and land is on the table.
 

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HAMAS OFFICIAL IN CAIRO FOR GAZA TRUCE TALKS: PALESTINIANS

A Hamas official was to hold talks in Cairo on Wednesday on Egyptian efforts to end the deadly conflict between his Gaza-based Islamist movement and Israel, the Palestinians said.

Hamas rejected a ceasefire proposal which Egypt put forward this week, complaining it had not been a party to the discussions.

"A meeting will be held this afternoon between an official from Hamas and a representative of the Egyptian leadership," said Azzam al-Ahmad, a senior member of the Fatah movement of Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas.

Ahmad said he hoped the talks in Cairo would "crystalize a definite formula for an Egyptian initiative" or clarify its plan, which had proposed an end to hostilities from 0600 GMT on Tuesday.

Israel initially accepted the Egyptian initiative, but later intensified its punishing air strikes aimed at stamping out rocket fire by Gaza militants following Hamas's rejection.

Ahmad's remarks came as Middle East peace Quartet envoy Tony Blair held talks with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi and Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukri, on his second visit to Cairo in a week to discuss the Gaza conflict in which more than 200 Palestinians have been killed since July 8.

Blair said Egypt's initiative was designed "to allow all the issues that are at the heart of this problem .. to be dealt with in a thorough and proper way."

"There are demands by Hamas in respect of Gaza and there are demands by Israel in respect of security," he said.

"But the purpose of this initiative is to allow people to come and discuss those issues, but in the meantime for the violence to stop and for the lives of the innocent to be saved," Blair said at a joint news conference with Shoukri.

Shoukri said Egypt's proposal aimed at "stopping military actions in order to address the situation in Gaza in the medium and long terms, and to give an opportunity to resume the peace process".

Later on Wednesday, Abbas was also due to arrive in the Egyptian capital for talks on a possible ceasefire.


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Date : 16 Jul 2014 16:40
 

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FEAR GRIPS ISRAEL-HIT GAZA HOSPITAL
by Sara HUSSEIN

At Al-Wafa rehabilitation hospital near Gaza City, a handful of doctors and nurses hover over paralysed patients, wondering how to protect them from more air strikes as threatened by Israel.

The patients lie mostly inert in beds lined up in the hospital's reception, where staff moved them after an Israeli rocket crashed into the fourth floor.

The staff have appealed to international agencies for protection, and say the hospital is known to the Israeli army.

But it was hit again on Tuesday night.

Shortly aftwards, the Israeli army contacted the hospital three times, saying everyone should be evacuated by morning as the air force was planning to intensify its air strikes.

Director Basman Alashi explained that the 14 patients in the facility, many of them paralysed or in a coma, are in no position to be moved.

And even if they were, he said, there is no place to take them.

"There is no place safe in Gaza! If a hospital is not safe, where is?

"We cannot leave our patients, they are helpless. They cannot move, they cannot walk, they cannot eat, they cannot even scratch their heads by themselves," he said.

Even as he spoke, the sound of shelling rattled the hospital windows.

More than 200 people have been killed in Gaza since the latest confrontation between Israel and Hamas militants erupted in the early hours of July 8.

After an Egyptian truce effort failed to get off the ground on Tuesday, there appears to be no end in sight.

Mercifully, said staff doctor Hassan Sarsur, many of the patients are unconscious and unaware of what is happening.

But for others, the situation is terrifying.

"Several of our female patients are paralysed but conscious, and during the night they were crying with fear and clutching our hands," Sarsur said.

Aya Abdeen, one of eight women in the facility, is paralysed from the waist down because of a tumour in her spinal cord.

"Yesterday, when they said that we have to evacuate and with all the shelling, of course I was afraid," she told AFP.

"There was shelling all around and the hospital was shaking. And I am as you see, I can't move," she said.

"We are sick people, in a hospital!"

Karam Shublaq suffered a gunshot wound to his spinal cord in 2006 and is also paralysed from the waist down.

He is being treated for pressure sores and is fitted with a colostomy bag.

"We wake up to shelling and we go to sleep to shelling," he said.

"We can't even move and they hit the fourth floor of the building several times, so they moved us down here."

To care for the patients, the staff are working 24-hour shifts, battling fatigue but also fear.

"We are human beings, of course we are scared," said Sarsur.

"We don't know what to do to protect the patients. We'd already evacuated the fourth floor and now we've evacuated all the floors except the reception."

Several patients have been sent back to their families, but others require medical care that relatives can't provide.

Sixteen-year-old Nur Okasha has been sleeping at the hospital for a week to keep watch over his 13-year-old brother Mohammed who has been in a coma for several months after nearly drowning.

He lies motionless on the bed, his eyes half open as Nur flicks away flies.

"We wanted to take him home, but the tube in his trachea requires a suction machine, and we don't always have electricity at home," the teenager explained.

He keeps vigil at Mohammed's side, putting in his eyedrops and talking to him.

"I want to make him feel like someone is always here. I tell him that his friends miss him. I talk to him about anything except the war," he said.

Doctors at the hospital have reached out to international agencies in a bid to secure Israeli assurances that the facility won't be hit again.

And a group of foreign activists are staying at the hospital in the hope that their presence might deter further attacks.

"The Israelis told the (international) agencies that the hospital was not the target, only the area around it. But they have already hit us directly," Sarsur said.

"We are helpless, the war comes to us and there is nothing we can do to stop it."


Source : Sapa-AFP /ns
Date : 16 Jul 2014 16:32
 

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Israeli Supreme Court has consistently interpreted "Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty" and "Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation (1994)" as guaranteeing equal rights for all Israeli citizens.

It's also worth noting that the vast majority of Arab Israelis would prefer to remain Israeli's than citizens of a Palestinian state.
Israeli supreme court! Will post link later.
 

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GAZA TOLL HITS 213 ON 9TH DAY OF ISRAEL AIR CAMPAIGN

Four children on the beach in Gaza City were killed in an Israeli raid on Wednesday, raising the overall death toll to 213, the emergency services said.

All four were on the beach when the attack took place, in what initially appeared to be shelling from the sea, according to AFP correspondents who witnessed the attack from a nearby hotel.

Several injured children took refuge at the hotel, they added.

The latest violence took Wednesday's death toll to 16, and raised the overall number of dead in Gaza after nine days of violence to 216, emergency services spokesman Ashraf al-Qudra said. More than 1,560 have been wounded.

Earlier, a 37-year-old man was killed in an air strike on the Zeitun neighbourhood, east of Gaza City, which took place several hours after the army warned 100,000 residents to leave the area and the neighbouring district of Shejaiya.

Most of Wednesday's deaths came in the south, with six killed in several strikes on Khan Yunis and five killed in Rafah, which straddles the Egyptian border.

In Khan Yunis, four people from the Al-Daqqa family were killed in two separate strikes, one of which killed a 65-year-old woman and a 10-year-old boy.

One of the victims in Khan Yunis was killed by tank fire.

In Rafah, five men were killed in four separate strikes, one of which hit a house in the city, Qudra said.

According to figures provided by the Gaza-based Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), more than 80 percent of the victims were civilians.

So far, one person has been killed in Israel -- a civilian who died on Tuesday evening in a rocket strike near the Erez crossing, medics said. Four Israelis have been seriously wounded.

Since the latest violence began before dawn on July 8, 1,021 rockets fired from Gaza have struck Israel, and another 256 have been shot down by the Iron Dome air defence system, army figures show.

Forty-three struck Israel on Wednesday and 24 were intercepted.

During its operation, Israel has struck more than 1,750 "terror targets" across the coastal enclave, the army said.


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Date : 16 Jul 2014 16:41
 

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Even when you try to escape israeli fire. Rare picture shows israeli bombs literally chasing kids, killing 4 inj. 2
https://twitter.com/ThisIsGaZa/status/489430214993133568

4 Palestinian kids killed on a beach in #Gaza. #Israel can't just blame Hamas. Not credible. And who was telling me ceasefire was bad idea?
https://twitter.com/BowenBBC/status/489421477322559488

Can you please stop this drive-by SPAM?
How is it spam? It's what's happening unfiltered.
 
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