Conflict flares up in Gaza again

[alloytoo]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/16/gaza-children-killed_n_5591281.html



Bravo Israel.

I'd be very cautious here, especially when they say "Under 15", typically Hamas recruits boys from the age of 10, we consider them children, Hamas considers them cannonfodder for propoganda.

 

[Spizz]

If muslims are probably the biggest religion and mostly in the third world, its not a religious issue but rather a socio-economic issue.

I think if you go example by example you'll find that religion is the common denominator. But hey, I'm not trying to trap you, I'm saying the quote is valid and it's a fair point. I'm surprised that anyone would think otherwise.

 

[alloytoo]

Non whites studied at apartheid universities. Non whites served in Apartheid army. Were also in the legislature till they became too many and then got a tricameral system.

False.

Try again.

 

[The_Assimilator]

Meanwhile we have Cape Town's Muslims protesting with signs reading "Israel should be wipe [sic] out of the map". It makes you wonder how they even manage to breathe.

http://www.news24.com/World/News/Fear-grips-Gaza-hospital-20140716

Israel is a signatory to the 1949 Geneva convention.

Rules of war tend to fall by the wayside when you're up against an enemy that doesn't play by those rules. Not condoning it, just saying.

However, attacking a hospital is reprehensible regardless of who's doing it, I really don't know what Israel are/were thinking.

 

[alloytoo]

If muslims are probably the biggest religion and mostly in the third world, its not a religious issue but rather a socio-economic issue.

Probably not the largest religion.

 

[alloytoo]

Meanwhile we have Cape Town's Muslims protesting with signs reading "Israel should be wipe [sic] out of the map". It makes you wonder how they even manage to breathe.



Rules of war tend to fall by the wayside when you're up against an enemy that doesn't play by those rules. Not condoning it, just saying.

However, attacking a hospital is reprehensible regardless of who's doing it, I really don't know what Israel are/were thinking.

Nothing suggests that the IDF are attacking the hospital, but no doubt cowardly rocketeers are trying to get as close to it as possible.

 

[daveza]

Nothing suggests that the IDF are attacking the hospital,

the Israeli army contacted the hospital three times, saying everyone should be evacuated by morning as the air force was planning to intensify its air strikes.

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[Saba'a]

Eish, now you are losing it dude.

Maybe I am wrong but fairly good chance Nigeria was listed because of Islamic link. Like isrseli supporters see any attack as anti-jewish one cant but notice when a person focuses on anti-islamic issues only. Are human rights abuses right? No and islam itself is a wonderful religion. But somehow people focus on non-islamic practices and blame islam. Its like blaming jews for zionism's flaws.

 

[biometrics]

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But it was hit again on Tuesday night.

Shortly afterwards, the Israeli army contacted the hospital three times, saying everyone should be evacuated by morning as the air force was planning to intensify its air strikes.

http://www.news24.com/World/News/Fear-grips-Gaza-hospital-20140716

 

[Saba'a]

They never had, nor wanted citizenship.

You do get it ito analogy that someone evicts you from your house and offers you a wendy house? Its a trite point so really wont pursue this angle.

 

[daveza]

I'd be very cautious here, especially when they say "Under 15", typically Hamas recruits boys from the age of 10, we consider them children, Hamas considers them cannonfodder for propoganda.

The sound of a blast cut through the air on Gaza’s beach, drawing people out of seafront buildings to see a crowd of terrified children sprinting along the sand.

They screamed as they ran, smoke rising behind them from an Israeli strike.

Panicked onlookers shouted at them to run away from the scene, and towards the safety of a hotel.

And then another blast hit the site, there was an orange glow and more smoke.

A hut used by Palestinian fishermen was set ablaze by the strike.

The children continued to run, but some of them were left behind. Four were dead.

Afterwards, emergency services spokesperson Ashraf al-Qudra gave names of the four, all cousins: Ahed Atef Bakr, aged 10, Zakaria Ahed Bakr, also 10. Mohamed Ramez Bakr, nine, and Ismail Mohamed Bakr, 11.

Playing football on the beach - nothing to do with hamas.

How tf do you bomb a beach !

 

[Saba'a]

I think if you go example by example you'll find that religion is the common denominator. But hey, I'm not trying to trap you, I'm saying the quote is valid and it's a fair point. I'm surprised that anyone would think otherwise.

I get it but is it really religion? Its like the european religious wars. Was it really catholicism vs protestantism or other factors as well. See Ireland as an example. Is it a religious issue of catholics vs protestsnts? Few people would allege that because they know enough of the detail to know its not although superficially it may look like it.

 

[Saba'a]

False.

Try again.

Really

 

[alloytoo]

Playing football on the beach - nothing to do with hamas.

Again, I'd wait for the official inquiry.

 

[Saba'a]

Meanwhile we have Cape Town's Muslims protesting with signs reading "Israel should be wipe [sic] out of the map". It makes you wonder how they even manage to breathe.



Rules of war tend to fall by the wayside when you're up against an enemy that doesn't play by those rules. Not condoning it, just saying.

However, attacking a hospital is reprehensible regardless of who's doing it, I really don't know what Israel are/were thinking.

Firstly - wipe Israel out = wipe out jews? I oppose the state of Israel but want a Palestine for jews christians and muslims. So you could say thats my view. If the person meant wipe out jews its an extreme view. I know for a fact that many muslims have said 1. Zionism is not judaism so one should not attack jews and 2. this is a human rights issue not religious issue. Its this focus on extremists that allow extremists to thrive and get airtime.

 

[daveza]

Again, I'd wait for the official inquiry.

UPDATE, July 16, 2014, 3 p.m. ET: The Israel Defense Forces have launched an initial investigation into the incident, according to Israeli news source Haaretz, which cites senior IDF officials as saying that initial findings show the children were killed by an air strike meant for Hamas militants. IDF is investigating the possibility that there was misinformation or that the strikes missed their target.

Four children were killed by Israeli airstrikes on Wednesday that hit in close proximity to al-Deira Hotel, a Gaza City hotel full of foreign journalists.

The attack, NBC News reported, came at around 4 p.m. local time and appeared to be the result of a naval shell.

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[Saba'a]

Probably not the largest religion.

Which is the largest religion? As far as I know it is. Roman Catholicism and Islam acquiring new adherents the fastest but speak under correction as I read that statement years ago.

 

[alloytoo]

You do get it ito analogy that someone evicts you from your house and offers you a wendy house? Its a trite point so really wont pursue this angle.

Thing is, the Israeli's didn't do the evicting, so your analogy falls apart right there. On the contrary they encouraged the Arabs to stay.

"Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return."

- Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49, The Memoirs of Haled al Azm, (Beirut, 1973), Part 1, pp. 386-387

About 150K Palestinians stayed in Israel and now enjoy considerably more rights than the 650 who left.

 

[Vrotappel]

Maybe I am wrong but fairly good chance Nigeria was listed because of Islamic link. Like isrseli supporters see any attack as anti-jewish one cant but notice when a person focuses on anti-islamic issues only. Are human rights abuses right? No and islam itself is a wonderful religion. But somehow people focus on non-islamic practices and blame islam. Its like blaming jews for zionism's flaws.

It's like people blaming unions for the violence of its members. Please get real. A religion is nothing without its believers.

You need to accept the state of Israel and then things will start to fall in place.

 

[Vrotappel]

It is easy blame Israel for all the casualties but what should Israel do when 100s of rockets are fired into its country every day?