Conflict flares up in Gaza again

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AP INTERVIEW: EGYPT SAYS GAZA CEASE-FIRE BID ALIVE
By IAN PHILLIPS and MAGGIE MICHAEL

Egypt's foreign minister said Thursday that his country's proposal for a cease-fire between Israel and the Palestinian militant group Hamas is gaining momentum, calling it the only viable way to stop an "intolerable humanitarian situation" in Gaza.

He also expressed frustration that "Palestinian factions" - a clear reference to Hamas - did not share what he described as Egypt's "desire ... to protect the Palestinian people in Gaza" by agreeing to the initiative.

"The only way to protect the people and to avoid additional bloodshed is acceptance of the plan," Sameh Shukri said Thursday in an interview with The Associated Press. "The plan has been widely endorsed by the Arab League, it has been endorsed by the European Union ... and it continues to gain momentum in terms of recognition."

The minister's remarks came just before Israel and Hamas began observing a five-hour humanitarian cease-fire to allow Gazans to stock up on supplies.

"We hope that the five-hour cease-fire that has been declared will be extended and that all sides accept the Egyptian peace initiative which is on the table now for several days," Shukri said.

The plan, announced Monday, requires "unconditional acceptance" of the cease-fire by both sides, to be followed by "unfettered access" to Gaza for humanitarian aid, as well as further talks in Cairo, Shukri said.

The plan was accepted by Israel this week but rejected by Hamas, which said it had never been consulted, a claim Shukri denied.

Egypt "formulated this initiative after very intense consultation which took account of many of the various positions of interest that were expressed by those directly concerned," he said.

"Had it been accepted by all parties, had it been accepted by Israel, had it been accepted by all factions in Gaza, we would have saved many lives that have been lost unnecessarily," he said, indirectly blaming Hamas for the continuing bloodshed.

Israel launched the offensive July 8, saying it was a response to weeks of heavy rocket fire out of Hamas-ruled Gaza. More than 230 Palestinians and an Israeli have been killed in 10 days of mainly aerial attacks.

Hamas, which seized Gaza seven years ago, wants international guarantees that the territory's blockade by Israel and Egypt will be eased significantly and that Israel will release Palestinian prisoners.

Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi was meeting in Cairo Thursday with Western-backed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. A day earlier, Abbas met with the deputy leader of Hamas, Moussa Abu Marzouk.

A Palestinian official in Cairo told AP that Marzouk presented Hamas' demands for a cease-fire, which were also delivered to Jordan and the U.N. They included a desire that countries other than Egypt - believed to be Qatar and Turkey -- be involved in forging an agreement to end the fighting, a sign of Hamas' mistrust of Cairo.

Middle East peace envoy Tony Blair also has been involved in talks this week with el-Sissi, and met Thursday with Shukri, who denied reports that the former British prime minister is now formally advising the Egyptian government in a private capacity.

Egypt, which in 1979 became the first Arab nation to sign a peace treaty with Israel, has often served as a mediator between Israel and Hamas.

But relations between Egypt and Hamas have become fraught with tension following the ouster last year of President Mohammed Morsi, who hails from the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood group, of which Hamas is the Palestinian chapter. Egypt has also been at odds with the wealthy Gulf state of Qatar, the Muslim Brotherhood's strongest Arab backer.

Gaza has endured Israeli and Egyptian border blockades to varying degrees since Hamas and other militants seized an Israeli soldier in a cross-border raid in 2006.

The following year Hamas overran the territory after defeating forces loyal to Abbas, who is based in the West Bank. The blockade was intended to keep out weapons and turn Gazans against their militant Hamas rulers.

After Morsi's overthrow last summer, Egypt's new leaders launched a sweeping crackdown on Hamas, shutting down a network of smuggling tunnels along the border that were the Islamic militant group's key economic lifeline - and a weapons supply route.

Cairo says Hamas is responsible for many of Egypt's security problems, including rising militancy in the Sinai Peninsula, which borders Gaza.


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Date : 17 Jul 2014 13:07
 

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What a load of crap.

So why didn't this great concentration of weapons ( lying on the beach ) explode ?

Again palestinians and hamas appear the same to the IDF.

We await proof of this pathetic excuse.

How do you know that they didn't explode?
 

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How do you know that they didn't explode?

It was right next to a hotel full of journalists.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/16/witness-gaza-shelling-first-hand-account

The first projectile hit the sea wall of Gaza City's little harbour just after four o'clock. As the smoke from the explosion thinned, four figures could be seen running, ragged silhouettes, legs pumping furiously along the wall. Even from a distance of 200 metres, it was obvious that three of them were children.

Jumping off the harbour wall, they turned on to the beach, attempting to cross the short distance to the safety of the Al-Deira hotel, base for many of the journalists covering the Gaza conflict.

They waved and shouted at the watching journalists as they passed a little collection of brightly coloured beach tents, used by bathers in peacetime.

It was there that the second shell hit the beach, those firing apparently adjusting their fire to target the fleeing survivors. As it exploded, journalists standing by the terrace wall shouted: "They are only children."

In the space of 40 seconds, four boys who had been playing hide and seek among fishermen's shacks on the wall were dead. They were aged between seven and 11; two were named Mohammad, one Zakaria and the youngest Ahed. All were members of the extended Bakr family.
 

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The article doesn't state either way

Oh come on - you think if a huge arms cache had been hit on the beach in front of journalists that it wouldn't have been mentioned ?

There are dozens of non-Israel supporters here who have acknowledged the f'ups of hamas.

Why is it so hard for the pro-Israel brigade to acknowledge their side is not exactly squeaky clean either !
 

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Oh come on - you think if a huge arms cache had been hit on the beach in front of journalists that it wouldn't have been mentioned ?

There are dozens of non-Israel supporters here who have acknowledged the f'ups of hamas.

Why is it so hard for the pro-Israel brigade to acknowledge their side is not exactly squeaky clean either !
Israel f'd up here. BIG TIME. Having seen some of their aerial footage, it makes it hard to believe that they could not see that these "figures" were kicking a soccer ball about.
 

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It was right next to a hotel full of journalists.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/16/witness-gaza-shelling-first-hand-account
It was there that the second shell hit the beach, those firing apparently adjusting their fire to target the fleeing survivors. As it exploded, journalists standing by the terrace wall shouted: "They are only children."

That is chilling,doesn't matter who you support if you cant condemn acts like this then you are not human.You're no better than the animals that perpetrated this crime against children aged 7-11 years old.

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Israel f'd up here. BIG TIME. Having seen some of their aerial footage, it makes it hard to believe that they could not see that these "figures" were kicking a soccer ball about.

Wasnt it fire from a ship?
 

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That is chilling,doesn't matter who you support if you cant condemn acts like this then you are not human.You're no better than the animals that perpetrated this crime against children aged 7-11 years old.

:sick:

Not condoning what happened but war is sad and horrific. Would not have happened if the Islamic vermin Hamas did not start and expanded their terrorism.

Strange that we never have certain individuals condemn Russia for their actions in Chechnya, and many other incidents by other groups in other countries. Why are we only holding America and Israel in such high regard when it comes to collateral deaths during war and terrorism acts!
 

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That is chilling,doesn't matter who you support if you cant condemn acts like this then you are not human.You're no better than the animals that perpetrated this crime against children aged 7-11 years old.

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Agreed.

Are you also vocal in condemning the atrocities committed by the Palestinian Hamas animals?
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/17/world/middleeast/through-lens-4-boys-dead-by-gaza-shore.html

I had returned to my small seaside hotel around 4 p.m. to file photos to New York when I heard a loud explosion. My driver and I rushed to the window to see what had happened. A small shack atop a sea wall at the fishing port had been struck by an Israeli bomb or missile and was burning. A young boy emerged from the smoke, running toward the adjacent beach.

I grabbed my cameras and was putting on body armor and a helmet when, about 30 seconds after the first blast, there was another. The boy I had seen running was now dead, lying motionless in the sand, along with three other boys who had been playing there.

By the time I reached the beach, I was winded from running with my heavy armor. I paused; it was too risky to go onto the exposed sand. Imagine what my silhouette, captured by an Israeli drone, might look like as a grainy image on a laptop somewhere in Israel: wearing body armor and a helmet, carrying cameras that could be mistaken for weapons. If children are being killed, what is there to protect me, or anyone else?

I watched as a group of people ran to the children’s aid. I joined them, running with the feeling that I would find safety in numbers, though I understood that feeling could be deceptive: Crowds can make things worse. We arrived at the scene to find lifeless, mangled bodies. The boys were beyond help. They had been killed instantly, and the people who had rushed to them were shocked and distraught.

Earlier in the day, I had photographed the funeral for a man and a 12-year-old boy. They had been killed when a bomb hit the car in which they were riding south of Gaza City, severely injuring an older woman with them.

There is no safe place in Gaza right now. Bombs can land at any time, anywhere.

A small metal shack with no electricity or running water on a jetty in the blazing seaside sun does not seem like the kind of place frequented by Hamas militants, the Israel Defense Forces’ intended targets. Children, maybe four feet tall, dressed in summer clothes, running from an explosion, don’t fit the description of Hamas fighters, either.
 

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Wasnt it fire from a ship?

I believe so

Not condoning what happened but war is sad and horrific. Would not have happened if the Islamic vermin Hamas did not start and expanded their terrorism.

Strange that we never have certain individuals condemn Russia for their actions in Chechnya, and many other incidents by other groups in other countries. Why are we only holding America and Israel in such high regard when it comes to collateral deaths during war and terrorism acts!

Typical responses.Only excuses, no humanity or outrage for those 4 innocent kids that just lost their lives for playing hide and seek to one of the most advanced militaries in the world with billions of dollars in technology that "couldn't see it was innocent children"(we all know that will be what the investigations will "reveal").
 
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Agreed.

Are you also vocal in condemning the atrocities committed by the Palestinian Hamas animals?

If I come across something as vile as this committed by Hamas purposely and clearly wiping out Israelli children then yes I will condemn it.Doesnt matter which side you favour,violence against children is always wrong.Leave them out of it.
 

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If I come across something as vile as this committed by Hamas purposely and clearly wiping out Israelli children then yes I will condemn it.Doesnt matter which side you favour,violence against children is always wrong.Leave them out of it.
So Hamas firing hundreds of rockets at random sites (not knowing who/what is there) in Israel is OK?
 

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Typical responses.Only excuses, no humanity or outrage for those 4 innocent kids that just lost their lives for playing hide and seek to one of the most advanced militaries in the world with billions of dollars in technology that "couldn't see it was innocent children"(we all know that will be what the investigations will "reveal").

Link us to where you were condemning other casualties of war in Syria, Chechnya, Iraq or anywhere so I can see if you are truthful to your claims and words! I have my doubts tho, fecking big doubts and if you cannot I call you a liar!
 

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Typical responses.Only excuses, no humanity or outrage for those 4 innocent kids that just lost their lives for playing hide and seek to one of the most advanced militaries in the world with billions of dollars in technology that "couldn't see it was innocent children"(we all know that will be what the investigations will "reveal").

I love how you jump to condemn this, but you have nothing to say about the video posted on the previous page with guys launching rockets with kids standing around.

That tells us all we need to know about your "objectivity".
 

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Link us to where you were condemning other casualties of war in Syria, Chechnya, Iraq or anywhere so I can see if you are truthful to your claims and words! I have my doubts tho, fecking big doubts and if you cannot I call you a liar!

Oh snap!
 
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