Conflict flares up in Gaza again

[sparticus]

I wonder, all these "moral" Muslims in SA, where were you idiots during Syria, Iraq, Iran......the list goes on.
You are disgusting that its fine to protest against Israel but yet on all these blatant human right attacks you are all so very silent.

So the SA gvt on their moral high-ground tell me, will you be recalling the ambassadors to Syria, Zimbabwe, Iraq, Iran .........the list goes on.
Bunch of bloody Anti Semitic *******s

I can never take what you say serious as you kept avoiding my questions.

 

[Grant]

ok ladies (i'm probably the only one here) and gentlemen.
can we all take a step back, catch our breath & compose ourselves.

the hurling of abuse has reached new heights in this thread, and as the monkey who started the thread, i feel a certain amount of discomfort in watching the monster i created, grow uglier by the day.

so, may i suggest a truce be declared between warring parties.
robust & spirited debate can be constructive, but continual mud slinging serves zero purpose whatsoever.
i'm not pointing fingers, i am as guilty as the next person.

in my 7 years around these parts i have only requested 2 threads i started be closed. one was the "mybb banning orders thread" created when i came back after a weekend away to discover sweeping banning orders had been issued - marine, killa, dj & a few others had all been culled within a period of 24hrs.
another was one in pd, which after about the 3rd or 4th post was going into free-fall.
this one is rapidly moving in the same direction.
there have been many varying & interesting opinions presented within this thread & it would be a pity to see the thread getting locked.

 

[MickeyD]

/declares ceasefire

 

[Looney]

/fires rockets at MickeyD

I'M WINNING!

 

[MickeyD]

/activates Iron Dome

 

[Alan]

/pulls up chair

/popcorn

 

[Viva]

I just stumbled upon this video, and I'm struggling to make sense of it.

[video=youtube;zk55dc7esuk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk55dc7esuk[/video]

Is this video new? Sorry if some has already posted this, I've not read everything.

 

[PostmanPot]

I just stumbled upon this video, and I'm struggling to make sense of it.

Is this video new? Sorry if some has already posted this, I've not read everything.

It's fake.

 

[Grant]

/fires rockets at MickeyD

I'M WINNING!

/activates Iron Dome

/pulls up chair

/popcorn

/opens the hangar doors to allow enola gay to trundle out onto the runway

 

[Viva]

It's fake.

I tried to match the words to his mouth - it kind of looks real? But I'm sure you're right, I can't conceive how he could have said something to that effect.

 

[PostmanPot]

I tried to match the words to his mouth - it kind of looks real? But I'm sure you're right, I can't conceive how he could have said something to that effect.

It's very cleverly put together, but a fake nonetheless (of course, alarm bells should be ringing from the start).

http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/11/2...makes-netanyahu-out-to-be-child-killer-video/
http://www.timesofisrael.com/dutch-tv-spoofs-netanyahu-speech-about-targeting-gaza-civilians/
https://ca.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PisraelZ/conversations/topics/80354

 

[Lightscribe]

well, i am really just curious about the "mingled crowd" aspect from an islamic perspective.
does it mean the various people of the area will ultimately unify as one nation in one state together - or am i getting it all wrong ?

to my mind, that would be the ultimate solution for the region, given the various peoples lived side by side in relative harmony a long time back.

There will never be peace. It's obvious that there is no peace all around Israel, as the Muslims slaughter each other, so even the complete removal of Israel from the map, will not bring peace.

It is what is desirable indeed. Any person advocating a pure arab palestine is no better than a Zionist.

You mean when Israel has been wiped off the map, right?

Yes.

And now extremist zionist supporters will interpret this as wiping out all jews. Ah well. Extremists think everyone else is as illogical and inhumane. I oppose the state of Israel and zionism. Doesnt mean I hate jews. Of course whether the two opposing groups can reach a south african type of settlement is sadly a big question.

Millions like you, for thousands of years before you, wanted Israel to just disappear, wiped off the map. Aw shame.

You don't want a "pure Arab palestine", whilst you want Israel wiped off the map, so you want Israelis to be dhimmi's in a Muslim "palestine". Keep dreaming.

2:37 A.M. European Union leaders call on Israel and the Palestinians to end the violence. Israel has the right to defend itself, they said, but its response needs to be proportional.

I agree. Israel should just fire tens of thousands of rockets into "palestinian" areas, indiscriminately.

It was right next to a hotel full of journalists.

four boys who had been playing hide and seek among fishermen's shacks on the wall

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/16/witness-gaza-shelling-first-hand-account

Israel f'd up here. BIG TIME. Having seen some of their aerial footage, it makes it hard to believe that they could not see that these "figures" were kicking a soccer ball about.

Which is it? Hide and seek or soccer?

If it makes you feel better, to promote the obviously misguided idea, that Israel deliberately targeted those kids, go for it. Don't expect everyone else to.

That is chilling,doesn't matter who you support if you cant condemn acts like this then you are not human.You're no better than the animals that perpetrated this crime against children aged 7-11 years old.

I see it as a mistake. Not a deliberate act.

Wasnt it fire from a ship?

Yes, as others mentioned, the targeting was spot on. As Israel then admitted, they thought it was militants. If the distance is too far, little specks running on a screen could be anyone.

 

[Lightscribe]

This is a "Seriously" pathetic move from you,instead of condemning a brutal and intentional attack against innocent children you would rather move the goal posts just to take the emphasis of what they have done,this isn't a Syria,Chechnya,Iraq or any other thread,if you want my responses to those then go read those threads.

This is my response to a specific incident in Gaza On a Gaza thread.If you cant condemn this act then you are a worthless piece of dirt.

So do you have proof of "your" condemnation of attacks on Israelis? It's unfortunate that the kids died. If it makes you feel better, they would have died as terrorists/suicide bombers later, or be killed by hamas. You know how it works for the people created by Russia and it's Arab friends.

Pacepa: The PLO was dreamt up by the KGB, which had a penchant for “liberation” organizations. There was the National Liberation Army of Bolivia, created by the KGB in 1964 with help from Ernesto “Che” Guevara. Then there was the National Liberation Army of Colombia, created by the KGB in 1965 with help from Fidel Castro, which was soon deeply involved in kidnappings, hijackings, bombings and guerrilla warfare. In later years the KGB also created the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which carried out numerous bombing attacks on the “Palestinian territories” occupied by Israel, and the “Secret Army for Liberation of Armenia,” created by the KGB in 1975, which organized numerous bombing attacks against US airline offices in Western Europe.

In 1964 the first PLO Council, consisting of 422 Palestinian representatives handpicked by the KGB, approved the Palestinian National Charter—a document that had been drafted in Moscow. The Palestinian National Covenant and the Palestinian Constitution were also born in Moscow, with the help of Ahmed Shuqairy, a KGB influence agent who became the first PLO chairman. (During the Six-Day War he escaped from Jerusalem disguised as a woman, thereafter becoming such a symbol within the bloc intelligence community that one of its later influence operations—aimed at making the West consider Arafat a moderate—was given the codename “Shuqairy.”) This new PLO was headed by a Soviet-style Executive Committee made up of 15 members who, like their comrades in Moscow, also headed departments. As in Moscow—and Bucharest—the chairman of the Executive Committee became the general commander of the armed forces as well. The new PLO also had a General Assembly, which was the Soviet-inspired name given to all East European parliaments after World War II.

Based on another “socialist division of labor,” the Romanian espionage service (DIE) was responsible for providing the PLO with logistical support. Except for the arms, which were supplied by the KGB and the East German Stasi, everything else came from Bucharest. Even the PLO uniforms and the PLO stationery were manufactured in Romania free of charge, as a “comradely help.” During those years, two Romanian cargo planes filled with goodies for the PLO landed in Beirut every week, and were unloaded by Arafat’s men.

FP: You have discussed your personal knowledge of how Arafat was created and cultivated by the KGB and how the Soviets actually designed him to be the future leader of the PLO. Illuminate this picture for us please.

Pacepa: “Tovarishch Mohammed Abd al-Rahman Abd al-Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini, nom de guerre Abu Ammar,” was built into a Palestinian leader by the KGB in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day Arab-Israeli War. In that war Israel humiliated two of the Soviet Union’s most important allies in the Arab world of that time, Egypt and Syria, and the Kremlin thought that Arafat could help repair the Soviet prestige. Arafat had begun his political career as leader of the Palestinian terrorist organization al-Fatah, whose fedayeen were being secretly trained in the Soviet Union. In 1969, the KGB managed to catapult him up as chairman of the PLO executive committee. Egyptian ruler Gamal Abdel Nasser, who was also a Soviet puppet, publicly proposed the appointment.

Soon after that, the KGB tasked Arafat to declare war on American “imperial-Zionism” during the first summit of the Black International, an organization that was also financed by the KGB. Arafat claimed to have coined the word “imperial-Zionism,” but in fact Moscow had invented this battle cry many years earlier, combining the traditionally Russian anti-Semitism with the new Marxist anti-Americanism.

FP: Why has the American and Israeli leadership been deceived so long about Arafat’s criminal and terrorist activities?

Pacepa: Because Arafat is a master of deceit—and I unfortunately contributed to that. In March 1978, for instance, I secretly brought Arafat to Bucharest to involve him in a long-planned Soviet/Romanian disinformation plot. Its goal was to get the United States to establish diplomatic relations with him, by having him pretend to transform the terrorist PLO into a government-in-exile that was willing to renounce terrorism. Soviet president Leonid Brezhnev believed that newly elected US president Jimmy Carter would swallow the bait. Therefore, he told the Romanian dictator that conditions were ripe for introducing Arafat into the White House. Moscow gave Ceausescu the job because by 1978 my boss had become Washington’s most favored tyrant. “The only thing people in the West care about is our leaders,” the KGB chairman said, when he enrolled me in the effort of making Arafat popular in Washington. “The more they come to love them, the better they will like us.”

“But we are a revolution,” Arafat exploded, after Ceausescu explained what the Kremlin wanted from him. “We were born as a revolution, and we should remain an unfettered revolution.” Arafat expostulated that the Palestinians lacked the tradition, unity, and discipline to become a formal state. That statehood was only something for a future generation. That all governments, even Communist ones, were limited by laws and international agreements, and he was not willing to put any laws or other obstacles in the way of the Palestinian struggle to eradicate the state of Israel.

My former boss was able to persuade Arafat into tricking President Carter only by resorting to dialectical materialism, for both were fanatical Stalinists who knew their Marxism by heart. Ceausescu sympathetically agreed that “a war of terror is your only realistic weapon,” but he also told his guest that, if he would transform the PLO into a government-in-exile and would pretend to break with terrorism, the West would shower him with money and glory. “But you have to keep on pretending, over and over,” my boss emphasized.

Ceausescu pointed out that political influence, like dialectical materialism, was built upon the same basic tenet that quantitative accumulation generates qualitative transformation. Both work like cocaine, let’s say. If you sniff it once or twice, it may not change your life. If you use it day after day, though, it will make you into an addict, a different man. That’s the qualitative transformation. And in the shadow of your government-in-exile you can keep as many terrorist groups as you want, as long as they are not publicly connected with your name.

In April 1978 I accompanied Ceausescu to Washington, where he convinced President Jimmy Carter that he could persuade Arafat to transform his PLO into a law-abiding government-in-exile, if the United States would establish official relations with him. Thereupon, President Carter publicly hailed Ceausescu as a “great national and international leader” who had “taken on a role of leadership in the entire international community.”

Three months later I was granted political asylum by the United States, and Romania’s tyrant lost his dream of getting the Nobel Peace Prize. A quarter of a century later, however, Arafat remains in place as the PLO chairman and seems to still be on track with the Kremlin’s game of deception. In 1994, Arafat was granted the Nobel Peace Prize because he agreed to transform his terrorist organization into a kind of government-in-exile (the Palestinian Authority) and pretended, over and over, that he would abolish the articles in the 1964 PLO Covenant that call for the destruction of the state of Israel and would eradicate Palestinian terrorism. At the end of the 1998-99 Palestinian school year, however, all one hundred and fifty new schoolbooks used by Arafat’s Palestinian Authority described Israel as the “Zionist enemy” and equated Zionism with Nazism. Two years after the Oslo Accords were signed, the number of Israelis killed by Palestinian terrorists rose by 73% compared to the two year period preceding the agreement.

FP: There simply can’t be any kind of peace in the Middle East with Arafat at the helm. What advice would you give to American and Israeli diplomats now?

Pacepa: To expose Arafat’s lies and condemn his bloody terrorism, but to avoid being implicated in physical reprisals against him—that would certainly make him a hero with the Palestinians. I strongly suggest the Ceausescu solution. In November 1989, when he was loudly reelected president of Romania, Ceausescu was as popular there as Arafat is now with the Palestinians. A month later, however, Ceausescu was tried for genocide by his own people and executed by his own people. From one day to the next Ceausescu became the symbol of tyranny. Romania turned into a free country, and twelve years later it was invited to join NATO.

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[Lightscribe]

Pacepa: September 11, 2001 was directly rooted in a joint Soviet/Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) operation conceived in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day Arab-Israeli War. The object of this joint operation was to repair Moscow's prestige by turning the Islamic world against Israel and by creating a rabid and violent hatred for its main supporter, the United States. The strategy was to portray the US, this land of freedom, as a Nazi-style "imperial-Zionist country" financed by Jewish money and run by a rapacious "Council of the Elders of Zion" (the Kremlin's epithet for the US Congress), the aim of which was allegedly to transform the rest of the world into a Jewish fiefdom. In other words, the heart of the joint plan was to convert the historical Arab and Islamic hatred of the Jews into a new hatred of the United States. We threw many millions of dollars at this gigantic task, which involved whole armies of intelligence officers.

In the late 1960s, a new element was added to the Soviet/PLO war against Israel and American imperial-Zionism: international terrorism. Before 1969 came to an end, the KGB's Thirteenth Department-known in our intelligence jargon as the Department for Wet Affairs, wet being a euphemism for bloody-invented airplane hijacking. The KGB constantly lectured at us that no one within the

American/Zionist sphere of influence should feel safe anymore. The hijacked airplane became an instrument of Soviet foreign policy-and eventually the weapon of choice for September 11, 2001.

During those years of intensive airplane hijackings, I became amazed at the almost identical pride both Arafat and KGB General Sakharovsky exhibited over their prowess as terrorists. “I invented the hijacking of [passenger] airplanes,” Arafat bragged to me in the early 1970s, when I first met him. A few months later I met with Sakharovsky at his Lubyanka office. He pointed to the red flags pinned onto a world map hanging on his wall. “Look at that,” he said. Each flag represented a plane that had been downed. “Airplane hijacking is my own invention,” he boasted.

Sakharovsky’s subordinates are now reigning in the Kremlin. Until they fully disclose their involvement in creating anti-American terrorism and condemn Arafat’s terrorism, there is no reason to believe they have changed.

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=13975

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[Lightscribe]

Russia spreading hate and terror...as always. Read it all.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
Anti-Masonry and Anti-Semitism

More than once in the course of the last two centuries, anti-Masonry has been fused with an older hatred, hatred of the Jews, that is to say anti-Semitism. Probably, the irrational nature of both phobias facilitates their juxtaposition. Be that as it may, from the middle of the 19th Century, we are witnessing an increasing wave of simultaneously anti-Semitic and anti-Masonic propaganda. Possibly, the paradigmatic work of this class of "literature" is an opuscule entitled "The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion" sometimes also known as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

This is one of the most well-known literary falsifications in history, based on plagiarism and fraud from the very beginning of its gestation. Nevertheless, this swindle has captivated the imagination of many people who are sensible in other respects, and it has been transformed into the "source of indispensable information" in the baggage of all the anti-Semites and anti-Masons.

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http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/zeldis10.html

Same old justification "war is ugly" so its all fair. Seriously messed up. Talk about bigot! You have blinkers on.
Point is - killing kids is wrong.

Crying your crocodile tears here won't help. Go fake it in Gaza and get them to stop killing kids.

Solve the problem - give people their land. Stop zionist policies. Stop building illegal settlements. Stop ... if you get my drift.

Its both sides at fault not just Hamas the way the pro-zionists are portraying it.

Stop attacking Israel with rockets and bawling when action is taken. Stop claiming Israel has no right to exist. Stop breathing.

 

[Mineer]

I just stumbled upon this video, and I'm struggling to make sense of it.

[video=youtube;zk55dc7esuk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk55dc7esuk[/video]

Is this video new? Sorry if some has already posted this, I've not read everything.

That video is fake here is the original

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton meets Israeli PM Netanyahu for a press conference in Jerusalem - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2...yahu-for-a-press-conference-in-jerusalem_news

 

[Polymathic]

[video=youtube;022aQy5b2wQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=022aQy5b2wQ&list=UU1yBKRuGpC1tSM73A0ZjYjQ[/video]
US media bias

 

[Ninja'd]

Is everyone dead yet?

 

[hellfire]

If I come across something as vile as this committed by Hamas purposely and clearly wiping out Israelli children then yes I will condemn it.Doesnt matter which side you favour,violence against children is always wrong.Leave them out of it.

Cool. Good to hear. Please link to your post condemning the kidnap and murder of three Israeli teens 3 weeks ago.

 

[Ninja'd]

the hurling of abuse has reached new heights in this thread, and as the monkey who started the thread, i feel a certain amount of discomfort in watching the monster i created, grow uglier by the day.

You had to have expected that to happen though, right?