Contentious section of NHI bill signals the death of some medical aids, according to report

jambai

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Good luck getting a tax clearance certificate if you haven't paid your part.

Listen. none of us want it which is why it has been over 10 years of fighting to stop NHI. But it will come one day and we will all have to pay. What irks me is that they keep tapping on the supposed middle class to pay for their initiatives and we end up with less and less. Soon we will all be begging at the robots while the political elites whizz passed us in their luxury German SUV's.
Where do you need a tax clearance certificate . Suppose taxi drivers have those as well
 

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Yes certain things won’t be covered by NHI for those you need a medical aid
basically NHI will cover all hospital cover and basics. Cosmetic, dental, chronic etc you will need additional cover and medical aids will cover that
Chronic not considered to be basic then?
 

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I know of Saffers abroad who are dodging SARS and I do not think they will ever be caught. SARS don`t even seem to know if they are in SA or not.

SARS have funny ways of working. Once the amount you owe them increase by too much, they simply open a criminal charge of tax evasion with the SAPS. It goes to court. A trial date gets set and the court issues a subpoena for the person to appear - not always a warrant for arrest. The investigating officer will provide an affidavit that the person cannot be found. The court then issues a warrant for arrest. The case gets closed down and struck from the roll. The warrant gets loaded on the various systems. Movement control at all borders included. If they suspect you are abroad, the warrant gets sent to Interpol too. At the end of the day, once you are in their targets, there are no getting around it.
 

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SARS have funny ways of working. Once the amount you owe them increase by too much, they simply open a criminal charge of tax evasion with the SAPS. It goes to court. A trial date gets set and the court issues a subpoena for the person to appear - not always a warrant for arrest. The investigating officer will provide an affidavit that the person cannot be found. The court then issues a warrant for arrest. The case gets closed down and struck from the roll. The warrant gets loaded on the various systems. Movement control at all borders included. If they suspect you are abroad, the warrant gets sent to Interpol too. At the end of the day, once you are in their targets, there are no getting around it.
But the people I know of have still not been caught in 10 years, and they have 0 fear of ever being caught. There is 0% chance that they will ever be extradited or have to pay the tax. SARS also don`t know if they are even earning/ eligible for tax.
 

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But the people I know of have still not been caught in 10 years, and they have 0 fear of ever being caught. There is 0% chance that they will ever be extradited or have to pay the tax. SARS also don`t know if they are even earning/ eligible for tax.
The chance is not 0..its conaiderably higher than that. Chances are though that the value they owe is not worth Sars chasing currently, but it can.change in an instant.
 

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The chance is not 0..its conaiderably higher than that. Chances are though that the value they owe is not worth Sars chasing currently, but it can.change in an instant.
Glory to the brave I guess, SARS don`t even know the value they are owed, the value they will see will be much less than the actual value. So I doubt very much that Interpol is going to arrest people not even knowing if they actually owe tax or not.
 

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That is impossible to know. There is no perfect system and yes, the ANC is useless. But I also dont think excluding the poor from professional health care is the way to go.
The poor are not excluded from a healthcare system, as by your own acknowledgement, you are utilizing those very services.

The lie that is being told, is that "every citizen will have the same level of access to healthcare as the current private system". Do you actually believe this lie? I am inclined to believe that all citizens will be bumped towards the lowest common denominator, being the current public health system. And all the additional funds poured into the system, will be stolen and wasted.

Except, EVERYONE will then pay for it. Including you. Via new taxes. You will pay, your income will decline. And you will receive less.

But the payments won't go where they are intended: to the service delivery. Funds will effectively be stolen, despite any protestations toward this by the current incoherent Dunning-Kruger cabal. Much like is happening now. Just check any news channel, should you not believe this to be the case. This will confirm 100%, unless you deliver any arguments to the contrary?

And then, a new challenger enters the ring: no doctors present. The doctors that were in the system, servicing their private patients - and many public patients - have realised that their skills are in demand in basically any country other than south africa, and they would have left. Leaving us with the dregs of the healthcare system. Those dregs that are unable to diagnose a simple peptic ulcer. Those dregs that cannot pass an exam into the Canadian healtcare system and thus have to stay in south africa, because they are that sh!$ (the 60%-ers that passed into medical school to fulfill the BEE quotas in medical facilities).

The system you are currently stuck in, will simply be the next system you are stuck in. But then, I have long held the view, that south africans simply want All Other south africans, to be dragged down to the lowest common denominator along with them and their situations, and then they will be content. I think my theory is nearing the endgame.

Misery for all, happy days.

But then, it's probably what you yourself secretly hope for.
 

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What is a basic human rights violation is to destroy health-care and then prevent people from paying for private heal

The poor are not excluded from a healthcare system, as by your own acknowledgement, you are utilizing those very services.

The lie that is being told, is that "every citizen will have the same level of access to healthcare as the current private system". Do you actually believe this lie? I am inclined to believe that all citizens will be bumped towards the lowest common denominator, being the current public health system. And all the additional funds poured into the system, will be stolen and wasted.

Except, EVERYONE will then pay for it. Including you. Via new taxes. You will pay, your income will decline. And you will receive less.

But the payments won't go where they are intended: to the service delivery. Funds will effectively be stolen, despite any protestations toward this by the current incoherent Dunning-Kruger cabal. Much like is happening now. Just check any news channel, should you not believe this to be the case. This will confirm 100%, unless you deliver any arguments to the contrary?

And then, a new challenger enters the ring: no doctors present. The doctors that were in the system, servicing their private patients - and many public patients - have realised that their skills are in demand in basically any country other than south africa, and they would have left. Leaving us with the dregs of the healthcare system. Those dregs that are unable to diagnose a simple peptic ulcer. Those dregs that cannot pass an exam into the Canadian healtcare system and thus have to stay in south africa, because they are that sh!$ (the 60%-ers that passed into medical school to fulfill the BEE quotas in medical facilities).

The system you are currently stuck in, will simply be the next system you are stuck in. But then, I have long held the view, that south africans simply want All Other south africans, to be dragged down to the lowest common denominator along with them and their situations, and then they will be content. I think my theory is nearing the endgame.

Misery for all, happy days.

But then, it's probably what you yourself secretly hope for.
My reply to you in your comments I highlighted in Bold -

1. The poor, by being poor are excluded from accessing Private Health care - that is my gripe. Myself and the majority of the population have no other option but to go to a public facility.

2. I don't mind being taxed/paying to use a Private facility/ getting the best treatment.

3. My hope is that all citizens, no matter your background or financial status, can walk into any medical facility, (private or public), and receive the best treatment.

As for your other statements, I fully agree with you.
 

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My reply to you in your comments I highlighted in Bold -

1. The poor, by being poor are excluded from accessing Private Health care - that is my gripe. Myself and the majority of the population have no other option but to go to a public facility.

2. I don't mind being taxed/paying to use a Private facility/ getting the best treatment.

3. My hope is that all citizens, no matter your background or financial status, can walk into any medical facility, (private or public), and receive the best treatment.

As for your other statements, I fully agree with you.

You are not excluded from using Private Health Care at all... its totally available to you if you want to spend the money.

And what dream world do you live in that all the citizens can just randomly get access to private facilities on someone elses dime?
 

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You are not excluded from using Private Health Care at all... its totally available to you if you want to spend the money.

And what dream world do you live in that all the citizens can just randomly get access to private facilities on someone elses dime?
I don't want a free ride, as I already said, I don't mind paying for it. What I won't do is to pay exorbitant fees every month forced on by greedy medical aids.
 

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I don't want a free ride, as I already said, I don't mind paying for it. What I won't do is to pay exorbitant fees every month forced on by greedy medical aids.
So you want an M3, think its price is ludicrous, so want to pay for it what you can afford. The logic wins. [thumbsup]
 

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I don't want a free ride, as I already said, I don't mind paying for it. What I won't do is to pay exorbitant fees every month forced on by greedy medical aids.

So just to let you know, that the medical aids may be expensive but part of the problem is not actually the medical aids, but the professionals charging crazy fees. The Medical aids have to factor those costs into their price structures.

But if you don't want a free ride, and are happy to pay for it there is absolutely nothing stopping you using private facilities as of right now.
 

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So just to let you know, that the medical aids may be expensive but part of the problem is not actually the medical aids, but the professionals charging crazy fees. The Medical aids have to factor those costs into their price structures.

But if you don't want a free ride, and are happy to pay for it there is absolutely nothing stopping you using private facilities as of right now.
He is right in that prices are unfairly inflated, but then he is angry at the wrong people. If the ANC did not fvck up health there would be no problem, yet he is angry at the haves for paying for private health. The poor want socialism because they have less to contribute but can gain more.
 

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He is right in that prices are unfairly inflated, but then he is angry at the wrong people. If the ANC did not fvck up health there would be no problem, yet he is angry at the haves for paying for private health. The poor want socialism because they have less to contribute but can gain more.

So hold up, because the random private doctor is charging R1500 for a consult is now the ANC's fault?
 

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No, I dislike people paying exorbitant fees for health care, forcing prices up. You see, as long as there are people dumb and willing enough to pay a high price for a service, that service will stay expensive.
Karen's moaning all the time is worse.
 

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Domestic was just telling me they rushed a relative to Helen Joseph hospital on Saturday but waited from 9:00 to 21:00 before he was examined and eventually admitted.

Her sister visited the patient yesterday and he hadn't even been given pill or questioned on how he was feeling.
Wow, that's not bad at all. Glad to see services are improving.
 
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