Cop arrested for allegedly raping teenager at police station

[TheChamp]

I gave you 3 examples. You can't just say they are irrelevant. Please say how each of the 3 are irrelevant. Eric Kholwane reinstated by ANC to PEC after being charged of rape, a convicted child rapist being made major by ANC and a person being made ANC president after non consensual sex of someone who could be his daughter.

I never asked for examples of people being charged with rape, do you know what a conviction means?

I asked for examples of people getting away with a slap on the wrist after being convicted with rape, especially cops, since that's what this thread is about. You need to have a clear trend that is backed up with sufficient numbers to confidently say the guy would get away with a slap on the wrist.

The most likely thing to happen is that if convicted he would not get a slap on the wrist because rape usually carries heavy sentences, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that rapist are getting off easy, even that Donson character is an exception and not the norm as you would like me to believe.

 

[TheChamp]

He is actually providing the information you asked for, just because it goes against what your initial opinion was, it doesn't make it irrelevant.

No, he is not.

 

[My_King]

Expecting another "She was lucky"

 

[skimread]

No, he is not.

Well it's hard to say what you disagree with if you are not spesific what you say is irrelvant

You want police specific?

Female cops sent for rape counselling

Brigadier Sifiso Cele denies the rape allegations, saying that they are part of a smear campaign and that criminal charges should have been opened if the accusations were true

mg.co.za

"Six women have been counselled in Mpumalanga for sexual crimes allegedly perpetrated by a top cop in the province, according to a dossier seen by the Mail & Guardian. "

The dossier details that the six officers were counselled by Lieutenant-Colonel Anya Christoppoulos, the employee health and wellness professional and psychologist in the South African Police Service (SAPS).

(Sifiso) Cele, the acting Witbank station commander, is apparently up for a promotion to the rank of major general, the third-highest in the South African Police Service (SAPS)

Cele was to have received his new rank from the national police commissioner, General Khehla Sitole, two Fridays ago during the launch of the police’s Safer City programme, but the event was postponed at the last minute.

‘Rape kit dumping officers redeployed’

The Khayelitsha inquiry heard three officers implicated in the saga were redeployed.

ewn.co.za

3 reployed after destroying rape kit evidence

https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/police-redeployed-instead-of-suspended-463585

Redeployed instead of being suspended

Cop arrested for molesting victims - while 'investigating' their rape cases

A Free State police captain accused of sexually assaulting a child while asking her if she missed her rapist is now under arrest over this, as well as several other charges, including rape.

www.timeslive.co.za

Reoffended while being out on bail in a previous charge but still employed.

Police trainees skip DNA testing

What was meant to be a sure-fire way to prevent criminals from sneaking into the force has been thwarted

mg.co.za

More than 3 000 police trainees have not had DNA samples taken, yet these are needed to stop criminals from entering the South African Police Service (SAPS)

Cops who rape are rarely disciplined, data reveals

Many stay on the job

www.groundup.org.za

Policemen have been accused of nearly 1,000 rapes since 2012, according to data from the Independent Police Investigative Directorate (IPID).
Many used the authority of their position to rape.
Up to 97% of those accused are not convicted in court, partly because of problems in the forensic data system.
Many of them are not disciplined by the South African Police Service (SAPS) either, the data shows, and remain on duty.

 

[skimread]

I never asked for examples of people being charged with rape, do you know what a conviction means?

I asked for examples of people getting away with a slap on the wrist after being convicted with rape, especially cops, since that's what this thread is about. You need to have a clear trend that is backed up with sufficient numbers to confidently say the guy would get away with a slap on the wrist.

The most likely thing to happen is that if convicted he would not get a slap on the wrist because rape usually carries heavy sentences, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that rapist are getting off easy, even that Donson character is an exception and not the norm as you would like me to believe.

Cops who rape are rarely disciplined, data reveals

Many stay on the job

www.groundup.org.za

Earlier this year, IPID pointed out to Parliament that there was widespread disregard within SAPS for its findings and recommendations against police officers implicated in violent crimes. Though SAPS is legally obliged to initiate departmental proceedings against police officers recommended for discipline, IPID reported that this did not happen in over half of the disciplinary recommendations cases forwarded to the police in 2020/21. In the case of rape, only three of 30 recommendations led to SAPS convicting officers in disciplinary hearings at the close of the financial year.

 

[skimread]

I never asked for examples of people being charged with rape, do you know what a conviction means?

I asked for examples of people getting away with a slap on the wrist after being convicted with rape, especially cops

That is why there is a higher burden on police. They are not impartial if they are the institution to to investigate crimes they commit so by law they have to face separate disciplinary proceedings. If they don't the police are in contravention of the law despite those charged not been convicted yet.

If there was just the burden for conviction for them to be dismissed while at work they can destroy evidence and dockets. It's logical really.

In fact all employees at companies can face separate disciplinary hearings if they do something wrong while at work. Your logic has been clouded as an ardent ANC supporter.

If your daughter is at kindergarten and a male staff member is charged with rape by the state after your daughter comes home and you see her bleeding, you ask her what happens and she tells you who raped her and you take her to the police who charge him. He can't keep his job while waiting 5-10 years for forensic results until he is convicted. The school can as a separate action open disciplinary proceedings, suspend him and fire him by using the reports to charge him themselves.

This however is beyond your comprehension as an ANC supporter.
The ANC and government do no charge its members or employees in disciplinary proceedings.

 

[wingnut771]

I never asked for examples of people being charged with rape, do you know what a conviction means?

I asked for examples of people getting away with a slap on the wrist after being convicted with rape, especially cops, since that's what this thread is about. You need to have a clear trend that is backed up with sufficient numbers to confidently say the guy would get away with a slap on the wrist.

The most likely thing to happen is that if convicted he would not get a slap on the wrist because rape usually carries heavy sentences, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that rapist are getting off easy, even that Donson character is an exception and not the norm as you would like me to believe.

How are you supposed to get convictions if SAPS don't do their jobs?

 

[TheChamp]

How are you supposed to get convictions if SAPS don't do their jobs?

Good point but besides the point. We do get convictions for rape and the overwhelming majority of that do not result in the slap on the wrist sanctions, so the first thing that comes to mind when there's a rape case can never be that "oh, the suspect is going to get away with a slap on the wrist" , it is just dishonest.

People here have been posting many cases of people charged with rape, which of course is irrelevant because being charged does not mean you should be thrown in jail or you are guilty of something.

 

[Howdy]

How are you supposed to get convictions if SAPS don't do their jobs?

Damn disappearing dockets.

 

[wingnut771]

Damn disappearing dockets.

if a docket is even created. Also, forensics are a mess.

 

[dualmeister]

Cops

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1561256531395579908

 

[mojoman]

Cops

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1561256531395579908

The wee laddies cannae help themselves...

 

[Alton Turner Blackwood]

That is why there is a higher burden on police. They are not impartial if they are the institution to to investigate crimes they commit so by law they have to face separate disciplinary proceedings. If they don't the police are in contravention of the law despite those charged not been convicted yet.

If there was just the burden for conviction for them to be dismissed while at work they can destroy evidence and dockets. It's logical really.

Crimes committed by SAPS are handled by IPID - it is the reason they exist. They hold the case, manage the investigation and help the state with the prosecution.

If you want to blame anybody, blame IPID. It's clear you do not seem to know how these things work.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

This just boggles my mind.

Pregnancies of 10-14 years olds in SA increased by 50%

In 60% of these cases the father cannot be identified. How many of these are rapes not reported to police if the girls don't know the man who impregnated them?

https://www.iol.co.za/ios/news/rape-epidemic-turns-girls-into-mothers-5e4a86a4-2c3a-4c82-a6fe-e7910c5edc4d

That's for the child grant...

 

[Howdy]

Crimes committed by SAPS are handled by IPID - it is the reason they exist. They hold the case, manage the investigation and help the state with the prosecution.

If you want to blame anybody, blame IPID. It's clear you do not seem to know how these things work.

I have a 0.75kg miniature Chihuahua guarding my house. Note: miniature.

SAPS IN CRISIS: Ipid registers criminal case against National Commissioner Sitole for dodging questions on Kinnear assassination

A criminal case docket against Khehla Sitole was lodged on 9 December 2021 under section 33 of the Ipid Act at Pretoria Central Police Station for failing to cooperate with an investigation. Ipid's Executive Director Jennifer Ntlatseng has referred the matter to Cele “for noting and intervention”.

www.dailymaverick.co.za

 

[sefeddt]

That's also not what I asked for, show me what the sentence was for the rape cases.

How is it possible for any policeman convicted of crime including rape to still be on the payroll. Is there a sliding scale of serious or not so serious.