Cop shoots himself after killing member of public in police station

[Cosmik Debris]

How long does it take before constables are promoted?

It's not automatic. It depends on their merit and in SA more on the colour of their skin.

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

How long does it take before constables are promoted?

Four years. In the defence force, minimum time in rank for junior ratings is usually around two years, this rises to three for officers and senior NCOs. In the Police this is four years. Five years as a constable would not be the end of the world, but, the suggestion that he's has gone five years implies that he joined at age 29 which isn't necessarily true. If he joined at 24 then he has been a constable for ten years, if he joined at twenty then its fourteen. Alternately he has been demoted at some stage for some reason. To be a constable at 34 means that either he has a problematic disciplinary record or he cannot pass the examination for the next rank. Either way he is not a candidate for the cop of the year award.(at least not in any country where they have real police)

 

[ForceFate]

It's not automatic. It depends on their merit and in SA more on the colour of their skin.

Is that why I spoke to a white captain at my local cop shop the other day?

Hey, howzit?
All well. You?
Great. Have a fantastic week man.
Cool thanks.

...kind of chat.

 

[ForceFate]

Four years. In the defence force, minimum time in rank for junior ratings is usually around two years, this rises to three for officers and senior NCOs. In the Police this is four years.

Then how sure are we that he was due for a promotion? That it was on the cards but delayed by inefficiency at the top? You and I don't know this person or his circumstances (note I'm not justifying what he did).

Five years as a constable would not be the end of the world, but, the suggestion that he's has gone five years implies that he joined at age 29 which isn't necessarily true. If he joined at 24 then he has been a constable for ten years, if he joined at twenty then its fourteen. Alternately he has been demoted at some stage for some reason. To be a constable at 34 means that either he has a problematic disciplinary record or he cannot pass the examination for the next rank. Either way he is not a candidate for the cop of the year award.(at least not in any country where they have real police)

That's all possible but I'd rather not comment on why he's a constable at 34. I've seen much older WO's before.

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

Then how sure are we that he was due for a promotion? That it was on the cards but delayed by inefficiency at the top? You and I don't know this person or his circumstances (note I'm not justifying what he did).

That's all possible but I'd rather not comment on why he's a constable at 34. I've seen much older WO's before.

We aren't sure.
All we know is that he is on the very first rung of the ladder.
Given a maximum joining age of 29 he has been on it at least five years and possibly as long as 16 (if he joined at 18)
Yes its true there are WOs that are much older but that is a more senior rank. You don't specify military or police but in the military WO1 is the highest rank for NCOs. To retire as a WO is a life well lived.
I only got involved because a resident troll bodyslammed someone who queried why someone with between five and 16 years service was still on the first rank.

 

[TheChamp]

We aren't sure.
All we know is that he is on the very first rung of the ladder.
Given a maximum joining age of 29 he has been on it at least five years and possibly as long as 16 (if he joined at 18)
Yes its true there are WOs that are much older but that is a more senior rank. You don't specify military or police but in the military WO1 is the highest rank for NCOs. To retire as a WO is a life well lived.
I only got involved because a resident troll bodyslammed someone who queried why someone with between five and 16 years service was still on the first rank.

Bodyslammed? I like it. And no, he did not query anything, he implied, with great confidence that the guy was still a constable because of his lack of ambition or because of incompetence.

 

[TheChamp]

wtf. Don't know why I bother............

It's called being tjatjarag, someone who is just too eager.

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

Bodyslammed? I like it. Not when it's done to you tho eh? And no, he did not query anything, he implied, with great confidence that the guy was still a constable because of his lack of ambition. or because of incompetence. He made no mention or deductions about competence. You on the other hand did. Is it because you are convinced (or know) that the constable in question is black? that's your ususal motive for embarrassing yourself.

 

[ForceFate]

We aren't sure.
All we know is that he is on the very first rung of the ladder.
Given a maximum joining age of 29 he has been on it at least five years and possibly as long as 16 (if he joined at 18)
Yes its true there are WOs that are much older but that is a more senior rank. You don't specify military or police but in the military WO1 is the highest rank for NCOs. To retire as a WO is a life well lived.
I only got involved because a resident troll bodyslammed someone who queried why someone with between five and 16 years service was still on the first rank.

It's 2 notches above constable in the SAPS. Using the metric you mentioned, there shouldn't be a 40-somrthing year old WO in the SAPS.

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

It's 2 notches above constable in the SAPS. Using the metric you mentioned, there shouldn't be a 40-somrthing year old WO in the SAPS.

Thats why I asked if it might be an sandf WO you were referring to. The military has two parallel rank streams, the police has only one. Progression through them is linear so every general was once a constable. In order to be promoted requires time in the rank and also additional qualifications. Obviously if every constable eventually rose to the rank of general over half of the force would be generals which is not ideal. It is perfectly normal for members to reach a rank beyond which they do not progress OR at which they are happy (not for some the back stabbing and politics that is high office)

Some do not progress beyond constable.

 

[RonSwanson]

How long does it take before constables are promoted?

That depends on their skin colour. White males about 12 - 15 years, black males 2-3 years. 6 months to a year if a connected cadre.

 

[RonSwanson]

Thats why I asked if it might be an sandf WO you were referring to. The military has two parallel rank streams, the police has only one. Progression through them is linear so every general was once a constable. In order to be promoted requires time in the rank and also additional qualifications. Obviously if every constable eventually rose to the rank of general over half of the force would be generals which is not ideal. It is perfectly normal for members to reach a rank beyond which they do not progress OR at which they are happy (not for some the back stabbing and politics that is high office)

Some do not progress beyond constable.

Yep, SAPS rank structures were similar to the SANDF but were muddied as part of the ANC's attempts to demililtarise the police. They cannot be compared.

 

[RonSwanson]

Using the metric you mentioned, there shouldn't be a 40-somrthing year old WO in the SAPS.

There are a few such white people, some even older than 40, some with degrees (I personally know a white WO, brilliant detective who is over 40).

 

[ForceFate]

That depends on their skin colour. White males about 12 - 15 years, black males 2-3 years. 6 months to a year if a connected cadre.

Citation?

 

[ForceFate]

There are a few such white people, some even older than 40, some with degrees (I personally know a white WO, brilliant detective who is over 40).

I know a black sergeant who's over 40. The white captain I mentioned earlier is mid to late 40s.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Then how sure are we that he was due for a promotion? That it was on the cards but delayed by inefficiency at the top? You and I don't know this person or his circumstances (note I'm not justifying what he did).

That's all possible but I'd rather not comment on why he's a constable at 34. I've seen much older WO's before.

Many older WO's cannot be commissioned because they are white.

 

[ForceFate]

Many older WO's cannot be commissioned because they are white.

How did the white captains and above make it then?

 

[RonSwanson]

I know a black sergeant who's over 40.

Then he must be really and truly useless.

 

[RonSwanson]

Many older WO's cannot be commissioned because they are white.

That is true. Very, very few white policemen get a commission, they literally have to walk on water. The detective that I know has two degrees and a diploma, and was still passed over for promotion many many times. He loves his job though, even trains other detectives, and he does not do it for the salary.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I know a black sergeant who's over 40. The white captain I mentioned earlier is mid to late 40s.

That white captain had to put in a lot more effort and study to reach his rank.

If you want to compare it to the SANDF, I left after being told to my face I would mentor black former MK members who would get the credit and be promoted above me. I was told that promotion for me would be rare despite a well above average merit and confidential report annually.