Copy of letter of complaint sent to Telkom.

rasputyn

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Hi there,

Heres a copy of the letter I sent to Telkom, has anybody else been subjected to this kind of thing??

I'm not holding my breath waiting for a reply, but will keep you posted!!

I'm based on the East Rand by the way.

Hello.

I ordered a conversion of an existing residential line to an ADSL line on the 27th of February. The lady told me that it would take up to a month for the conversion, and I would receive a call from the ADSL department to confirm an installation date.

I hadn't received a call by the 24h of March, so I called the ADSL line and they gave me a toll free number (0800 456 786) to call and find out. The lady that I spoke to there told me that I had been booked for that same day and she would find out and call me back...I'm still waiting. Needless to say, it wasn't installed on that day.

The following Tuesday I called the toll free number again, wanting to know when it would be installed, another lady told me that the only available day was Friday, the 2nd of April, I told her that this was unacceptable, so she said that she would make some enquiries and call me back...I'm still waiting. Later that day, I called again and spoke to a man, he said that the previous lady had registered my compaint on the system and proceeded to read it word for word to me, I again told him that I found it unacceptable that a PAYING and EXISTING customer should have to wait another two weeks for the installation, he said that he would find out and call me back...I'm still waiting (are you starting to see a pattern here??).

After I figured out that i was going to be unsuccessful with the toll free "customer service" number, I decided to pay your "customer service" branch at the Lake Side Mall in Benoni a visit on the Thursday. I dealt with a very friendly lady who, as it seems, was just as unlucky as I was in contacting any body with any clue of what was going on in terms of my order. This was mostly due to people not answering fones, people giving her the run around etc. I again visited her on the Thursday, and yet again people didn't answer their fones etc. Oh, and one lovely lady by the name of Pumla in the Durban office doesn't know how to reply to e-mail's either.

By this time I had come to terms with the fact that ADSL would only be installed on the 2nd of April, after spending in excess of 2 hours on the telephone with your various departments as well as THREE and a half hours in your Telkom "customer service" branch on my visits on the Wednesday and Thursday.

So I waited...Yesterday, April 1 2004 I recieved a call from somebody, a guy named Paul, and he told me that they are ready and willing to install my Adsl today, Friday the 2nd of April and they would fone me today to tell me what time I can expect them...Im guessing it was an April fools joke, because today, after sitting at home like a fool, it is now 17:25 and guess what, NO FONE CALL WHAT SO EVER!!!

I foned the ADSL toll free number again at 11:45 this morning to double check to see if what this man had told me was true and yes, the job was indeed in the technician's hand and he would be here by the end of business.

There was still no sign of the pretty white bakkie by 2:30, so I decided to fone directory enquiries and get the "customer service" number from them, I got 10217, and spoke to a lovely lady named Hailey, she told me that she had spoken to the dispatcher and the technician was indeed on his way to visit me. This was not the case.

At 3:30 I tried to fone the 0800 456 786 number again, to be greeted by (Im guessing Telkom teaches this in training) unanswered fones, I then foned 10217 again, and spoke to a lady named Gugu, she was most helpful, putting me on hold for 20 minutes while she waited for 0800 456 786 to ignore the ringing fone, again. I asked to speak to her supervisor, the supervisor asked me for my details so that she could follow up on Monday morning...SHOCK HORROR!!! I told here that this was unacceptable, and she then told me that it was all she could do because Telkom permanent staff knock off at 16:00 on a Friday.So thats where my story ends, unfortunately.

I have now spent over two and a half hours on the fone.

Haw can a company that is trying to compete on a world market, as well as facing the birth of the S.N.O soon and boasting about their superior levels of "customer service" even dream of offering (more likely subjecting) their customers to this sort of "customer dis-service".

I will, if no reply is recieved to this complaint from Telkom and no satisfactory correctional steps taken, be taking my grievances to ICASA as well as the press.

Thank you.

Etienne du Plessis


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And when the guys do eventually arrive to do the installation. The techie guy (another nice guy), will tell you that he only received the job card that same day and cant understand why your order hadn’t been put into his capable hands long ago. A case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Haw can a company that is trying to compete on a world market, as well as facing the birth of the S.N.O soon<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
World market? Telkom only competes in the SA Market and their is <b>No</b> Competition.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">as well as facing the birth of the S.N.O<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I think the SNO had a miscarriage.

If Telkom had to try and compete internationally with their current attitude they have in SA, they will go out of business as soon as they start. People overseas wouldn’t put up with what we accept as the norm. They would be laughed off the international stage back into their hole in SA where they will remain in exile until their dieing days.



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dikbek

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And did each of the persons answering the phone greet you with "and how may I be of <b>EXCELLENT</b>service today?"?
 

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Oh boy, I feel for you rasputyn. Although I was fortunate that my initial ADSL installation went quite smoothly, I have had very similar problems with their so-called customer support since then.

It blows my mind that any company would let its staff get away with such shoddy service. (Although we are talking about Telkom here, so I guess it's understandable.)

It is very well known that Telkom customer service people make promises to phone back, but never do. So I now make it policy to get the person's full name and department, so if I have a problem I take the matter much further.

Telkom Proudly South African? Hmmmmph I think not.


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I would go public and lodge a complaint with ICASA (for what it's worth) anyway.
 

Mean_Monster

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I agree with ASF.

Maybe if everyone that experience bad service from Telkom report that to ICASA and in the press something will get done.

Telkom is receiving alot of bad press at the momement. Hopefully it will start hurting their share price and force them to start chamging their ways.
 

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Hopefully it will start hurting their share price...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Personally I feel this is one of the key ways is which we as "the small dsigruntled community" of Telkom users can make their life diffcult.

Telkom are very quick to dismiss consumer complaints by quoting so called "market research" (performed by Markinor but commissioned and payed for by Telkom I might add). But the one thing that they cannot get away from is bad press. Telkom is a listed company and it's key to them that they maintain a good share price to vindicate their position. Look at the hoopla they make in the press due to their earnings and subsequent increase in shareholder value....

It would be a big win for the SA consumer if we could get exposure in the market where their International listing would hurt their share price - i.e. the States. I would not know how to go about it or even who would be interested in this type of info but I am sure that there are some analysts out there who advise on telco stocks. Wouldn't is be great if they began advising investors that Telkom is a bad buy - now here's the rub - Telkom HAS SHOWN GOOD RETURNS - and that's what investors want - but again I think the key is market intelligence - i.e. sure they are a good buy NOW - BUT WAIT when the SNO finally does make it's appearance I think we are going to see a shift in consumer mindset - and that's the message that potential investors who have no knowledge of SA need to be made aware of - let's be real - who in their right mind would choose Telkom if they had a choice - I know I wouldn't....
 

georgestrydom

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I get the feeling that more and more people are ordering ADSL and Telkom is feeling the pressure. Whether we like it or not, they are our only choice at the moment and once you have tasted the sweet joy of a 50kb download, it is unlikely that anybody would willingly go back to a 56K modem. That's the thing about technology, there is no going backwards. So we just have to persist and drag them screaming and kicking out of there slumber holes.
I had exactly the same experience with the techie, he phoned at 8.30 in the morning and said all he had to do was configure the port at the exchange. Eventually pitched up at 4 o'clock and had the installation finished by five past. He obviously wanted to knock off early. I, like a fool, had sat patiently waiting all day for him to arrive.
My friend has been waiting for his area to be opened for ADSL. the day they opened it up he had his order in. Since then he has been giving such a run around that he is still not even sure whether he will actually get it or not.
 

rasputyn

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Hey all,

Thank you for your replies.

Today, I actually spoke to some one who might just know what they are doing. One Mr Ben Mkansi, a customer support supervisor. Apparently my complaint has now been escalated to Senior Management. the only problem being that I gave them until 13:00...You can guess what didn't happen.

I have drafted my letter of complaint to ICASA and now I'll wait until tomorrow morning to send it, as well as my letters to the press.

The problem is that the phrase "Telkom Management" is an oxymoron. I have thus far dealt with a single ADSL department that is located in Pretoria, Johannesburg, Durban and Cape Town. This coupled with the fact that internal communication is non-existent, gives us a recipe for disaster. As BTTB put it, "A case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing."

It's scary to think to yourself that, in todays global economic arena, one can STILL be subjected to such blatantly monopolistic practises. Fortunately there is a small, somewhat diminutive ray of light in the SNO...I think it's gonna be worth the wait.

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Speaking of ICASA complaints... Any more news on the one sent on behalf of the myADSL forum?

Maybe if we all wrote a letter to ICASA?
 

rasputyn

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Hey all,

Still haven't heard anything about my "escalated complaint", oh well.

Spoke to some one again today at ADSL tech, she said I've been re-scheduled for the 13th....almost a full month later than when it was first promised.

I'm thinking of starting a Consumer Campaign against Telkom, as well as to try and speed up the SNO licensing...Something like the T.A.C, to try and hold the people in power accountable for their actions.

Let me know what you think.

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I think by being a member and posting your views on this forum helps out, however small it may seem to you.
We will have our way with Telecommunication in SA. Its just time that devides us.

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rasputyn

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ICASA now has my complaint, dunno what happens now...

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EkilErif

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Excellent. Please let us know what happens if anything with your complaint.

Rather be silent and thought of as a fool than speak and remove all doubt.
 

rasputyn

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Who wants to take bets on how long it wil take, I say that ICASA might get back to me by the 20th...just because its april.


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beyers

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Telkom promised me to install ADSL on 1 March, and they did it exactly on time, to my great surprise.

It is pure discrimination against you rasputyn!
 

rasputyn

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Techie just rocked up, got my adsl....now we start scrutinising it...


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BTTB

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Please tell us what the techie guy says.
Ask him why it took so long. His answer probably would be nearer the truth than phoning Telkoms hotline.
BTW did you buy a ADSL pots filter?

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by BTTB</i>
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BTW did you buy a ADSL pots filter?
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How do you mean? is that the thing that filters data and voice??

He didn't have any idea about my complaint, said that all the bookings for next week were going to be done this week because of the long weekend.

must say that this was indeed the most professional person that i have dealt with in telkom, i think because he cant hide behind a phone.
Guys name was Solly, been with telkom for 17 years and he did get trained on ADSL installation, he even knew how to set up a broad band connection in xp.

It's a shame how the techie has to be the face of the company, because they care..I'm sure they put up with some pretty bad abuse, because theyre the only tangible element of the contact with Telkom.

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As my comments on Page 1 are still relevant then.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">And when the guys do eventually arrive to do the installation. The techie guy (another nice guy), will tell you that he only received the job card that same day and cant understand why your order hadn’t been put into his capable hands long ago. A case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Our problems are not the techie fellows. It’s the incompetent fools that you cant see that answer the phone lines and process the orders. They would hardly send a technician out that wouldn’t know how to install ADSL.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">How do you mean? is that the thing that filters data and voice??<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Yes. My experience was that after the techie guy installed my ADSL setup, he didn’t have any Pots Filters with him. I had to go to Telkom’s offices to buy one for R50. It would have been sad if you were caught without one before the Easter Weekend. That was my point.


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