Count tablets/pills before you leave pharmacy

Mr Big T

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The pharmacy that I used to go to have a system where an assistant counts the tablets/pills and then take it to the pharmacist to sign. The pharmacist signs that the correct medicine was dispatched. They dont count it again. I have on numerous occasions receive tablets short. One time there were 60 short. It got so bad that I refused to let some people serve me because when they served me it was always short.

Check the quantity before you leave. Make them count it in front of you. I dont know if these people are just bad at counting? I am now going somewhere else.
 

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How many pills are you buying that they can be 60 short and have it not be easily noticeable?
 

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If you on some heavy meds then they probably pocketing the pills?
Once in a while a mistake can happen, but the way you describe it , it is quite common you should report it to the head pharmacist or if its like a clicks or dischem report it to the head office - it could be quite serious.
 

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Go to a different pharmacy, or use a direct order system like Discovery has.
I have never had any problems at our local pharmacy. The pharmacy at the Doc's place is a whole different story.
 

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Never happened to me or anyone I know. Maybe you're just jinxed :D
 

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Actually happen to me at Clicks :p The Vital products you need to check that it is actually sealed or risk buying opened ones which have pills taken out or potentially replaced :eek: And that stuff is like 100bucks/30 so yah..
 

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Dischem used to give one or two extra. They don't anymore so math skills seem to have improved. I usually count it with them but if there's one or two missing can skip or just divide them. Really 60 pills must be a brainfart if it wasn't done on purpose but should be easily noticeable. Prescription medicine should all come in blister packs.
 

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I've got a owner operated pharmacy nearby that is legend. I drop quite a bit of cash (well med aid anyway) there so they know me by name & its chilled. Usually they squash the member levies too.

Even got an Xmas gift from them. :D
 

Mr Big T

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How many pills are you buying that they can be 60 short and have it not be easily noticeable?
The guy from the pharmacy delivered it to my car in the parking lot since I couldnt walk to the pharmacy. It was in a closed big brown paper bag. Once he left I opened it and noticed 60 short. I then called the pharmacy and he brought the 60 that he left out.
 

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yeah it happens. We rarely count the meds ourselves and we assume that our assistants can count ... unfortunately its quite difficult to double check because the customer/patient gets annoyed waiting and that software is such a pain in the arse to communicate with the medical aids or in the case of state stock control with department of health. Also by law in the private sector we not allowed to keep prepacked meds which is quite strange since dispensing doctors do it, the manufactures do it but your pharmacist cant pack 20 generic paracetamols to sell quick quick if somebody doesnt have enough cash for banded products, so you cant take preventative steps to eliminate these human errors during your quiet time. stupid huh

We handle the medical aids, doctors scripts, labels, profiles and stock control and also check if the meds arent going to interact with anything you've taken recently or currently on. Generally if the pharmacist is doing nothing then it means they employed part time to fill in for the pharmacist on duty. You see this in clicks and dischem a lot, its not easy to take over the pharmacy suddenly for a few hours after someone else has been running it for months.

The assistants counting though have no excuse they are required to do exams and get a certification (kinda like a mini diploma) in order to get the job, one of those requirements is knowing how to package medication for dispensing.

So if you in the private sector and the owner of the pharmacy then they will do an excellent job because if they mess around they lose their job. As for the guys in franchises and state ... they simply dont care just there to earn the money with as little effort and if you say anything its a "you not my boss" or a "I will CCMA you" or some retarded nonsense. When I work for state hospitals on contract I dont swear them anymore I let the patient handle it (sad it has to even reach this stage). Now you get into trouble for disciplining poor practice and Im tired of disciplinary hearings lol - one would lose their temper when staff dont listen and almost kill people with their stupidity.

Its the same with Drs disciplining the nurse for poor practice. Its all nice to be civil but a strict military type attitude is required in health practice which our laws do not permit. They get away with "oh ok sooorrie" or "waah my bad" or "mistake how" and the patient's condition is deteriorating or worse they died (well my scenarios are extreme but thats what happens in hospital i dislike working in retail i dont like mixing business with healthcare call me naive). A Dr friend of mine got into a hearing because he swore the sister that left the patient (disabled) in the bathroom for a few hours. There was also a surgeon that got into trouble because he swore the sisters for preping the wrong patient for surgery - I would think swearing would be appropriate so that this type of stupidity will never happen again.

that said there is no excuse to leave out 60. I can tell by weight alone on most drugs if there is 5 or more short. What also annoys me is that no one clamps down on clicks/dischem for dressing their assistants up as pharmacists or clamps down on them for pretending to be pharmacists. In old school pharmacies the OTC meds are directly infront so if your assitant picks mad selections you can quickly stop them. In clicks/dischem they a totally seperate counter so how is a pharmacist suppose to pick it up ? somebody got bribed somewhere lol or perhaps this is the effect of consumers complaining about longish waiting periods

moral of the story always check your meds, the staff are people they will make mistakes and medicines arent cheap and it will be a headache trying to convince people days later when you notice. Always count then and there if you buying S5 and S6 as by law once you leave the premises that transaction is closed.
 
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They should just get a decent scale. Pop one up and multiply. At my local pharmacy they use a flat piece of plastic with dividers to count. It also fills the bottle whey they done.
 

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They should just get a decent scale. Pop one up and multiply. At my local pharmacy they use a flat piece of plastic with dividers to count. It also fills the bottle whey they done.

the weight thing isnt so accurate for small tablets especially when you dispensing alot. The big government hospitals and depots use weight to check their batches of prepacks
 

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the weight thing isnt so accurate for small tablets especially when you dispensing alot. The big government hospitals and depots use weight to check their batches of prepacks

The 'weight thing' has to be accurate, otherwise your meds don't contain what it says on the box...

I have a 3kg Soehnle scale which is accurate to 1g. I've tested it several times with calibration weights from the SABS. The taring feature of the scale also works very well, so taring the scale with the container gives the real weight of the contents of the container.
 

Mr Big T

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What also annoys me is that no one clamps down on clicks/dischem for dressing their assistants up as pharmacists or clamps down on them for pretending to be pharmacists.
Some of them have a serious attitude problem. When I asked one of them to count the medicine in front of me he talked to me like I was a small child. I had a strong urge to punch him in the face.
 

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The 'weight thing' has to be accurate, otherwise your meds don't contain what it says on the box...

I have a 3kg Soehnle scale which is accurate to 1g. I've tested it several times with calibration weights from the SABS. The taring feature of the scale also works very well, so taring the scale with the container gives the real weight of the contents of the container.

right now im a pharmacist and ive counted countless tablets/capsules and ive used the proper scales and im telling you its not.

These arent weights made from metal. The powder could be less, the gelatin capsule can be thinner, the tablets could be damaged or eroded (where you think that dust comes from?). All the manufacturer claims is that their medication contain Xmg of a drug nothing else, if it passes qc per batch its good to go. A 500mg paracetamol tablet doesnt weigh 500mg and the tablets arent held together like metals they are dry roasted powders that are compressed together with pressure forming a tablet

That said its not highly inaccurate either as I said its inaccurate for small tablets in large quantities

Some of them have a serious attitude problem. When I asked one of them to count the medicine in front of me he talked to me like I was a small child. I had a strong urge to punch him in the face.

You not suppose to count it by the patient incase there is someone in the front who is allergic to it. If you count penicillin and someone who is allergic to penicillin they will react to it (I had a friend who was allergic to penicillins and she would react if someone opened a bottle of penicillin, always wondered why she decided to be a pharmacist lol, seemed a bit dangerous to me). Also consider your words? you are implying that either a) the person cant count or b) they trying to rob you. If you want to check your medication you can do so but dont expect them to do it for you. Its like asking the cashier at pick and pay to rescan all your groceries to check if your bill is correct its not going to happen and recount your change, its your job to check these things happen its not like its done on purpose.

If I was the pharmacist I wouldnt recount it id give you the tablet tray and let you count it yourself and move on to the next script.
 
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Mr Big T

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Also consider your words? you are implying that either a) the person cant count or b) they trying to rob you. If you want to check your medication you can do so but dont expect them to do it for you.
If I was the pharmacist I wouldnt recount it id give you the tablet tray and let you count it yourself and move on to the next script.
I dont expect the asssistant or pharmacist to recount it for me and I have never said I did in the thread. I expect them to give me the correct amount the first time. There is always time to do something over but never time to do it right the first time. I am not implying anything. I am merely reporting what happened and to make other people aware of what is happening. I left the name of the company out on purpose
 
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