Couple, aged 33 and 35, die from COVID-19

BBSA

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No I didn't,because I automatically include the assumption that vaccination doesn't prevent the spread entirely,but slows it down in any model discussing something that isn't 100% effective at anything


Asymptomatic carriers are a thing regardless,again,you can model out such things to be the baseline for comparison

You haven't actually made a case or disproven vaccination yet in reply to my posts,only raised known minor exceptions
So again i'll put it to you,when the math says if the majority do the right thing everybody wins,why is it not selfish to remain unvaccinated without any sound reason not to?
I don't have any desire to make a case, people must do that they think is correct for them.

I would have got the vaccine a long time ago if I worked with lots of people or had an underlying health condition
 

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No I didn't,because I automatically include the assumption that vaccination doesn't prevent the spread entirely,but slows it down in any model discussing something that isn't 100% effective at anything


Asymptomatic carriers are a thing regardless,again,you can model out such things to be the baseline for comparison

You haven't actually made a case or disproven vaccination yet in reply to my posts,only raised known minor exceptions
So again i'll put it to you,when the math says if the majority do the right thing everybody wins,why is it not selfish to remain unvaccinated without any sound reason not to?
Ok
 

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So if SARS COV 2++ is going to reach the stage where it can kill any age, will Health SCience have a relook at:
Narrative=Corona Virus
Narrative-COVID19

Over the whole globe every inch of it: General, Private, Military,Secret, Dark Money, all of it.
1-How science are controlled-?
2-How labs are controlled-?
3-How we work with antibiotics are controlled-?
4-How we go along with drugs are controlled-?

I think this whole health disasterous mess around the world is out of control too far however upmarket and smart it may seem, it reached a stage where its now pestering us....
 

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I got bad news for the hatters , my chances of dying from covid is extremely slim.

I don't understand the hate, if they are vaxxed why should they care what other people do?

If COVID was "easily" avoidable, like said, HIV, then I'd say sure, don't get the vaccine. But the reality is this:

1) Vaccine prevents COVID transmission in the majority of cases. This means by getting vaccine you are actually saying to other people "hey, I give a **** if you/your loved ones get sick or not".

2) In the rare instance that you get a breakthrough infection (thanks delta), you are protecting yourself against the odd chance that you might get very sick and become a burden on your family/friends/medical practitioner.

3) By adding an additional layer of protection, you lower your chances of getting infected and creating a mutated version of the disease. By saying "no, I won't get vaxxed", you're essentially saying "na, don't care if other people get affected, I'll be fine".

4) Delta is highly transmissible. Unless you plan on never leaving your house, you're going to get it at some point.

You say your chances of severe illness are low. Have you gone and spoken to a doctor about your decision to not get vaccinated?
 

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If COVID was "easily" avoidable, like said, HIV, then I'd say sure, don't get the vaccine. But the reality is this:

1) Vaccine prevents COVID transmission in the majority of cases. This means by getting vaccine you are actually saying to other people "hey, I give a **** if you/your loved ones get sick or not".

2) In the rare instance that you get a breakthrough infection (thanks delta), you are protecting yourself against the odd chance that you might get very sick and become a burden on your family/friends/medical practitioner.

3) By adding an additional layer of protection, you lower your chances of getting infected and creating a mutated version of the disease. By saying "no, I won't get vaxxed", you're essentially saying "na, don't care if other people get affected, I'll be fine".

You say your chances of severe illness are low. Have you gone and spoken to a doctor about your decision to not get vaccinated?
I live on a farm, so I'm not really concerned.
 

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I wonder how much the scare tactics have influenced people to they point were they're dying. Just because of their negative mindset.


My friends that had it all joke about how they couldn't taste food. Sure as someone who likes food that would not be "fun" for a week. But it not really kak scary.
That’s just one symptom. One the extreme end it’s death. In the middle it’s a whole range of issues from lung damage, heart stress and all number of other conditions. Make a joke now, but when your heart is beating though your chest and your O2 levels are plummeting let’s see you post again then.
 

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With no contact with any people?
No, but I'm not really going to stress about it. Stress just weaken once immune system.

Having said that, we do practice covid protocols.
 

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How do you know those people are healthy. Do you have access to all their biomarkers?
The point is the difference between Delta and previous waves. It used to be very obviously people with comorbidities and now it's a far more regular slice of the population with substantially more under thirties.

You seem desperate to discover that the people who have died of Covid didn't eat their vegetables. I'm sorry reality can't be more convenient like that.

This whole anti-vaxxer thing boggles my mind. There is no way of avoiding risk. Your options are the risk of being vaccinated vs. the risk of not being vaccinated.

On one hand we have pretty much zero credible reports of noteworthy problems with the mainstream vaccines, no videos of vaccinated people running around like zombies, no whistleblowers sharing primary evidence about a crazy vaccine conspiracy and so on. Whatever the risk of turning into a Bill Gates controlled 5G zombie, it can't be very high.

And on the other hand we have deaths everywhere from Covid, near-unanimous consensus that the vaccines are highly effective from the medical specialists who are actually qualified to express an opinion on the matter, many people have family who are health workers and experiencing the horror of Covid first-hand every day, and very credible reports that bad outcomes are virtually impossible for anyone who has completed a vaccination course prior to contracting Covid.

I mean really, do you have to think hard about which option is riskier to yourself and your loved ones...
 

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The point is the difference between Delta and previous waves. It used to be very obviously people with comorbidities and now it's a far more regular slice of the population with substantially more under thirties.

You seem desperate to discover that the people who have died of Covid didn't eat their vegetables. I'm sorry reality can't be more convenient like that.

This whole anti-vaxxer thing boggles my mind. There is no way of avoiding risk. Your options are the risk of being vaccinated vs. the risk of not being vaccinated.

On one hand we have pretty much zero credible reports of noteworthy problems with the mainstream vaccines, no videos of vaccinated people running around like zombies, no whistleblowers sharing primary evidence about a crazy vaccine conspiracy and so on. Whatever the risk of turning into a Bill Gates controlled 5G zombie, it can't be very high.

And on the other hand we have deaths everywhere from Covid, near-unanimous consensus that the vaccines are highly effective from the medical specialists who are actually qualified to express an opinion on the matter, many people have family who are health workers and experiencing the horror of Covid first-hand every day, and very credible reports that bad outcomes are virtually impossible for anyone who has completed a vaccination course prior to contracting Covid.

I mean really, do you have to think hard about which option is riskier to yourself and your loved ones...
You have not answered my question.

BTW, I do not eat vegetables ;)
 

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A cool look on Pandemic modeling is looking at the SIR model (2nd video is SEIR model where a population can be reinfected),highlight where the discussion starts about the S0 variable and the effects of vaccines at slowing rate of infection over time compared to unvaccinated. Factoring in exactly the same factors
Yaaaaawn.

Glad to see you are catching up. But there are better ways than a damn video on YT to do that.
 
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Geoff.D

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This whole anti-vaxxer thing boggles my mind. There is no way of avoiding risk. Your options are the risk of being vaccinated vs. the risk of not being vaccinated.
This! And it is a personal decision, hopefully, based on a sound evaluation process, no matter how much ranting and raving the authorities and anyone else does.
I mean really, do you have to think hard about which option is riskier to yourself and your loved ones...
The only truly valid reason not to get a jab is a medical one backed by a recommendation from a doctor. The rest is all emotion, mostly driven by cultural and/or religious beliefs. And there is always the rather small true anti-vaxxers.
 

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Yaaaaawn.

Glad to see you are catching up. But there are better ways than a damn video on YT to do that.
Oh look its our resident mook wandering around with obvious confusion like an alzheimers patient in a maze

Not sure what you're on there but you need to lower the dosage
 

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You have not answered my question.

BTW, I do not eat vegetables ;)
Asking whether they're healthy is a pointless question. We know that people who have unhealthy lifestyles don't continuously flood our hospitals past their capacity, and we can see the differences between the Covid waves.

You really need no additional information beyond seeing the current carnage, as well as the absence of dead vaccinated people, to know that Delta is really bad and that getting vaccinated is critical.
 

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Bloody ANC ****ing up the roll-out of vaccines. How many people unnecessary killed due to ANC incompetence?
 

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Comorbidities TimesLive. We need those comorbidities. Unfortunately we will never hear about them due to doctor patient confidentiality and yet without knowing them it goes from being life saving information to useless propaganda. Mainstream media think they are toeing the line when in fact they are costing lives.
Really, I know many people that has died and many seriously ill. **** the propaganda lines.
 

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Asking whether they're healthy is a pointless question. We know that people who have unhealthy lifestyles don't continuously flood our hospitals past their capacity, and we can see the differences between the Covid waves.

You really need no additional information beyond seeing the current carnage, as well as the absence of dead vaccinated people, to know that Delta is really bad and that getting vaccinated is critical.
So I take it you don't know.
 
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