Court case launched to stop corrupt municipalities in South Africa from getting money

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Plan to stop corrupt municipalities in South Africa from getting money

Sakeliga has launched legal action to stop corrupt and failed municipalities from getting money from taxpayers, and create independent control over electricity and other services.

Legal papers are currently being served on two municipalities in the North West, the Minister of Finance, and others.

Sakeliga is asking the court for far-reaching, novel interventions that have never been applied at municipal level.
 

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where were these guys during elections?
still voted ANC, so why complain?

you voted the Criminals in, so why stop them from enriching themselves with YOUR money.
come election time, if you dont like it, vote somebody else in,

hell, vote for ANYBODY other than the ANC,
 

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Not sure who Sakeliga are, but the fact that this sort of thing has to happen to stop the theft is just insane.

These guys are being elected and then have to have their hands removed from the cookie jar by the judicial system to stop the rape. Madness.
 

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Yeah, all these plans that never happen. Viva incompetent cANCer fools.
 

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The problem with the whole "vote them out" thing is that there are more people on social grants and unemployed than there are taxpayers. The people on grants don't see anything wrong with the current system as long as they get their free money every month. The unemployed are too busy focusing on more important things like food and housing to be overly concerned with the theft by politicians. That only leaves a small portion of the populace to try and "vote them out" and that is a struggle that is never going to be won.
 

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Lol, 6 months in and I bet the "special master" will be just as corrupt as those in the municipality.
 

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You have to change the constitution to allow for that. So, this case is pointless. When they are stealing too much the way to effect change is to vote them out. If they keep winning elections then it means the voters don't see a problem with their performance.

Happening in several places already:

Court rules against Ketlengrivier local municipality

12 June 2018

An interim court order has granted their local Ratepayers' Association permission to take control of the Ketlengrivier local municipality's water and refuse systems. It's the second granted to residents. Earlier this month the High Court in Pretoria ordered Eskom not to cut the town’s electricity because the municipality owes it close to R50 million.


 

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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
where were these guys during elections?
still voted ANC, so why complain?

you voted the Criminals in, so why stop them from enriching themselves with YOUR money.
come election time, if you dont like it, vote somebody else in,

hell, vote for ANYBODY other than the ANC,
Sake liga voted ANC? Are you serious?
 

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The problem with the whole "vote them out" thing is that there are more people on social grants and unemployed than there are taxpayers. The people on grants don't see anything wrong with the current system as long as they get their free money every month. The unemployed are too busy focusing on more important things like food and housing to be overly concerned with the theft by politicians. That only leaves a small portion of the populace to try and "vote them out" and that is a struggle that is never going to be won.
Opposition parties not doing enough. They do a lot of work in areas that don't need it.
 

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You have to change the constitution to allow for that. So, this case is pointless. When they are stealing too much the way to effect change is to vote them out. If they keep winning elections then it means the voters don't see a problem with their performance.
Municipalities being mismanaged into utter destruction is constitutional?

CC needs to think about this as well.
 

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When they are stealing too much the way to effect change is to vote them out. If they keep winning elections then it means the voters don't see a problem with their performance.

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This maybe proves a point, but as long as the whole world do not understand what is DIGITALLY ABSTRACTLY going on, its like killing ants with one finger. I believe strongly, that eventually everybody is going to learn and get wiser.
 

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Lol, 6 months in and I bet the "special master" will be just as corrupt as those in the municipality.
I wanted to point out "unless they get the independent auditors like they said they will", but considering places like KPMG that run independent audits were found to be corrupt, I'm like "eish, ja, same thing will happen"

The best way forward is not only to get a special master, but to digitize and expose all records to whomever is in charge of those special masters (and I think the people who are in charge of them should operate independently of each other so no collusion can occur, or at least minimized)

You can't easily just fake accounting if it's digital and run mostly automatically. Computer says client A owes R250 for power used in March, Client A paid R250 in April, done. Funds can then be paid over to Eskom automatically even. The only thing they'd have to look at is their debtors/creditors and chase people who haven't paid yet.

Access to those banks accounts can then be restricted severely since a computer would be doing the payments/account allocations etc.

But knowing government, and their piss-poor (and very expensive) way of getting contractors to write such a system, it would take decades, billions and still have several flaws in the software that could expose the entire system, the client database etc. *sigh
 

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I wanted to point out "unless they get the independent auditors like they said they will", but considering places like KPMG that run independent audits were found to be corrupt, I'm like "eish, ja, same thing will happen"

The best way forward is not only to get a special master, but to digitize and expose all records to whomever is in charge of those special masters (and I think the people who are in charge of them should operate independently of each other so no collusion can occur, or at least minimized)

You can't easily just fake accounting if it's digital and run mostly automatically. Computer says client A owes R250 for power used in March, Client A paid R250 in April, done. Funds can then be paid over to Eskom automatically even. The only thing they'd have to look at is their debtors/creditors and chase people who haven't paid yet.

Access to those banks accounts can then be restricted severely since a computer would be doing the payments/account allocations etc.

But knowing government, and their piss-poor (and very expensive) way of getting contractors to write such a system, it would take decades, billions and still have several flaws in the software that could expose the entire system, the client database etc. *sigh
The bigger problem is accountability. Even if you implement a system that is 100% digital (did someone say Blockchain?) and you can trace all payments and purchase orders, the fact that no one is ever held accountable for the corruption means the corruption will continue to happen. I mean, the leaks of the Gupta emails and Eskom documents and all the other damming evidence against our corrupt elite has yielded 0 accountability.

The public can have full transparency on how their municipalities are being run and where the money is going, but outside of voting the corrupt politicians out of office they are powerless to actually hold them to account. And we all know that people in this country don't apply the most critical thinking to their vote, they just vote for whoever they have always voted for, or who paints the other guy as the biggest villain.
 

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You have to change the constitution to allow for that. So, this case is pointless. When they are stealing too much the way to effect change is to vote them out. If they keep winning elections then it means the voters don't see a problem with their performance.
Not paying tax or for water and electricity etc will keep the 'have nots' happy. The challenge is taxing the 'haves' so that the 'free lunches' can continue, all the while pretending to be a democratic country is adhering to the constitution. Typical communist thinking, and as in the rest of the world, it's just a question of time.
 
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