Court rules hidings for kids officially illegal

[access]

So smacking them is the way to get them to know the difference?

a smack on the bum, or just a smack anywhere as you are trying to portray this as.

its relative to the situation isnt it.

if you cant tell the difference there is something wrong with you.

 

[winner]

Lol why are people comparing spanking kids with beating up adults?

You guys know bathing an adult against his/her will is a crime right?
So is forcing them to eat vegetables and locking them in the room etc.

Kids can never be treated like adults

 

[Lupus]

a smack on the bum, or just a smack anywhere as you are trying to portray this as.

its relative to the situation isnt it.

if you cant tell the difference there is something wrong with you.

No that's not actually the right way, but hey keep thinking like that. Corporal punishment shouldn't be the answer to disciplining kids but anyway. Just because our parents did it doesn't mean it was right.

 

[Lupus]

Lol why are people comparing spanking kids with beating up adults?

You guys know bathing an adult against his/her will is a crime right?
So is forcing them to eat vegetables and locking them in the room etc.

Kids can never be treated like adults

Except when they are old or infirm or mentally disabled and need care? What's the difference from an old person to a child? I mean do you spank your grandmother when she does something wrong?

 

[konfab]

bwhahahaha. as if all kids will just stop crying to give their clever dad a turn. or as if all dads are "clever". another kid might start crying that youre making fun of them. then later cry about the original thing, then cant remember what the crying was about and just scream blue murder.

Children learn by imitation, which is what you don't seem to understand. This guy simply showed his children how to not vent their anger in a controllable manner. When you hit your children, they learn that it is acceptable to hit someone when they don't do what you want them to do.

the only things kids want to know, is what they can do and what they cant do. it all boils down to that.

How do you teach your kids that hitting other people is wrong, but parents hitting them is fine? You can only do it by instilling authoritarianism.

 

[konfab]

Except when they are old or infirm or mentally disabled and need care? What's the difference from an old person to a child? I mean do you spank your grandmother when she does something wrong?

What if she has late stage alzheimer's and cannot use reason? Oh well, get the cane to make her behave.

 

[surface]

Many of you guys are made of very strong stuff. I am filled with guilt if I raise my voice a bit to warn him not to scream (by shouting myself - lol) . Eish.

 

[access]

No that's not actually the right way, but hey keep thinking like that. Corporal punishment shouldn't be the answer to disciplining kids but anyway. Just because our parents did it doesn't mean it was right.

sometimes it is the answer to disciplining children.

you are wrong.

 

[Lupus]

Children learn by imitation, which is what you don't seem to understand. This guy simply showed his children how to not vent their anger in a controllable manner. When you hit your children, they learn that it is acceptable to hit someone when they don't do what you want them to do.


How do you teach your kids that hitting other people is wrong, but parents hitting them is fine? You can only do it by instilling authoritarianism.

This, I have said I did give my son hidings when he was younger and I was still of this belief that it's the only way. I felt horrible every time I gave him one and it neve really sorted out issues as it was a short form punishment and you have to keep dishing it out.
Whereas I calmed down and started to rather punish him with things he likes, restrict him from his toys, a proper grounding for a week or whatever and he's calmed down a lot as well. Smacking is a short quick answer that's wrong in the long run.
Yes we all sit here and go but I was spanked as a child and I turned out fine so spanking must be okay.

 

[Kakarot]

There is a big difference between violence and discipline.
Spanking kids on the bum is not akin to shooting at people (violence).
They are not even remotely related. If they were then I should have become an angry, mass murdered according to your logic.

According to the anti "femicide" brigade this is the root cause...
This is going to be very interesting because there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that mothers beat their own children more than fathers

 

[buka001]

If they are incapable of applying reason, then surely it is fruitless in hitting them?
I would assume you wouldn't hit a 2 month old baby because it is crying?

What about a 14 year old teenager? Are they incapable of applying reason?

At last we are coming to the core of the problem and where we fundamentally differ. I hold the view that small children do have reason(and this is not unsubstanciated btw). What they don't have is the socialisation to deal with their emotions, and thus get frustrated about it.

Watch this video and tell me that children are not yet developed enough to understand or be able to apply reason:

You can see it on the older one's face as she is coming to grips with her emotions. Simply turning it into a game, where they should cry on demand in turn, then showing them how it is done, made it understandable to them. That is nothing else but reason.

That video shows how teaching the kid to understand their emotions and that the tantrum was just an explosion of emotions and those explosions achieve nothing is a valuable lesson.

Now if you just smacked the girl, a whole conflict of emotions comes into play. She does not have the maturity to associate the discipline with her actions. Is she being smacked because she is can't see her mom, or because she is crying. Is she allowed to show emotion or not?

 

[Willie Trombone]

Adult virgins

You Japanese? I thought suicide was a jap thing.

 

[ProfA]

All the people who are for this ignorant court ruling, are the people whose children are the absolute worst brats. And I guarantee that those parents are totally oblivious of this FACT, because "my kids are the best".

 

[daveza]

A correction ( hiding ) done in love

Nah, don't euphemise it, it's a hiding not a 'correction ' - and the religious groups are all over with this done in love thing'.

When your child throws a tantrum at the supermarket give them a spanking 'done in love ' - that's a load of crap, it's down out of irritation and frustration and bad temper.

Dear child this is going to hurt but it's just showing my love... get real.

 

[access]

Children learn by imitation, which is what you don't seem to understand. This guy simply showed his children how to not vent their anger in a controllable manner. When you hit your children, they learn that it is acceptable to hit someone when they don't do what you want them to do.


How do you teach your kids that hitting other people is wrong, but parents hitting them is fine? You can only do it by instilling authoritarianism.

ive done exactly that which the guy in the video has done a couple of times, sometimes it works other times it just made things worse. ive even thrown a tantrum on the floor which made them stop, but it doesnt work every time.

you are applying a single action to all situations and claiming right or wrong from it. its delusional.

why would that father need to give his daughters a hiding in that situation, it just looks like they are unhappy about something. what did they do wrong?

get real.

hitting other people out of anger or frustration anywhere is not the same as spanking a child on the bum for instilling discipline. stop talking kak please.

and guess what, a bit of authoritarianism teaches children to show some respect and behave. they should not have the freedom to carry on like brats in a restaurant and scream at the top of their lungs while running between the tables. what the actual ****.

 

[MidnightWizard]

If they are incapable of applying reason, then surely it is fruitless in hitting them?
I would assume you wouldn't hit a 2 month old baby because it is crying?

What about a 14 year old teenager? Are they incapable of applying reason?

At last we are coming to the core of the problem and where we fundamentally differ. I hold the view that small children do have reason(and this is not unsubstanciated btw). What they don't have is the socialisation to deal with their emotions, and thus get frustrated about it.

Watch this video and tell me that children are not yet developed enough to understand or be able to apply reason:

You can see it on the older one's face as she is coming to grips with her emotions.

I strongly suggest you watch -- SUPERNANNY
Seems you are in good company

'Supernanny' Jo Frost: There's No Justification For Spanking

The real point of the exercise is really NOT whether you spank or not
It IS REALLY about the role of the STATE in CIVIL society
SHOULD the "state" be interfering in a domain that should be PRIVATE !

There are after all already standard laws and legislation to protect minors

As I already mentioned -- TOTALITARIAN thin end of the wedge !

 

[rietrot]

So smacking them is the way to get them to know the difference?

Yes. Pain gets the message that something is wrong across instantly. It is evolutionary build in and very effective.

And it is temporary and doesn't leave any lasting negative effects. Humans have used this for centuries.

But it is better to emotionally abuse your kid, scream at them and deprive them things they like.

All the ridiculous strawmen that gets used for why a hiding is bad immediately falls flat when you apply it in reverse.
If hiding teaches a kid violence is acceptable.
What does taking away his favourite toy teach him. That he can take other people's stuff if he doesn't like how they behave.

 

[MidnightWizard]

Yes. Pain gets the message that something is wrong across instantly. It is evolutionary build in and very effective.

And it is temporary and doesn't leave any lasting negative effects. Humans have used this for centuries.

But it is better to emotionally abuse your kid, scream at them and deprive them things they like.

All the ridiculous strawmen that gets used for why a hiding is bad immediately falls flat when you apply it in reverse.
If hiding teaches a kid violence is acceptable.
What does taking away his favourite toy teach him. That he can take other people's stuff if he doesn't like how they behave.

AMEN

 

[NeonNinja]

 

[rietrot]

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Well, make him clean it up. Then he will understand. Just not sure how you can make him do anything if he flat-out refuses. Probably go on your knees and beg.