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Lupus said:
Quoting the bible is idiotic, do you also stone your daughter if she doesn't listen to you? Or kill your neighbour if he doesn't believe in your religion?
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Corporal punishment does not have its basis in the Bible. When one examines the verse, "He that spareth the rod hateth his son," one needs to understand the tools shepherds used in tending their sheep. They used a crook to lift sheep out of holes they had fallen into, and they used the rod, a straight stick, to guide them. The sheep were not beaten with the rod. "Sparing the rod" in that sense, means that a parent must guide his or her child and teach the child right from wrong. The word "discipline" comes from the same root word as "disciple," and discipline is teaching, training, setting an example of proper behavior, and giving consequences that help a child learn how to behave better. The word "punish" comes from a root word that means to inflict physical pain. Furthermore, nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus tell parents to use corporal punishment with their children.
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2005-03-13-0503120312-story.html
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THE TRUTH ABOUT SPARE THE ROD AND SPOIL THE CHILD

THE TRUTH ABOUT SPARE THE ROD AND SPOIL THE CHILD By NIRVANA REGINALD GAYLE This morning I was watching First Take on ESPN with Skip Bayless, Stephen A.
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Interesting - so that is one explanation. How about others?
Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Matthew 15:4, Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9

Court rules hidings for kids officially illegal

More kids misbehaving without consequences now. Good, this is basic equality of the law being applied constantly. You don't have a right to smack your wife or anyone else, why should you have a right to smack your children? Do kids necessarily have the same rights as adults? Let's try that...
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rietrot said:
Well, make him clean it up. Then he will understand. Just not sure how you can make him do anything if he flat-out refuses. Probably go on your knees and beg.
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And who allowed the kid the access to something he shouldn't have?

Nevertheless, you can get them to do it by showing them how to do it, and why they should clean up. Way more productive than simply losing your temper and taking it out on them.
 
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konfab said:
And who allowed the kid the access to something he shouldn't have?

Nevertheless, you can get them to do it by showing them how to do it, and why they should clean up. Way more productive than simply losing your temper and taking it out on them.
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Lol, you don't know what your talking about. I'm not going to lock all my cupboards.
 
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MidnightWizard said:
I strongly suggest you watch -- SUPERNANNY
Seems you are in good company

'Supernanny' Jo Frost: There's No Justification For Spanking

The real point of the exercise is really NOT whether you spank or not
It IS REALLY about the role of the STATE in CIVIL society
SHOULD the "state" be interfering in a domain that should be PRIVATE !

There are after all already standard laws and legislation to protect minors

As I already mentioned -- TOTALITARIAN thin end of the wedge !
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This is a simple application of basic natural rights to children.

Totalitarianism happens when you violate people's rights, which is what you do when you spank a child.
 
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I'm not on board with the explanation. Sometimes you hit the sheep too if you need to like @rietrot said. Also
"don't spare the rod" does not mean hit the child for any and everything just in case. Sometimes you hit the little idiot and sometimes you don't.
 
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konfab said:
This is a simple application of basic natural rights to children.

Totalitarianism happens when you violate people's rights, which is what you do when you spank a child.
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Kids don't have the same rights as adults yet until they are 18.

Totalitarianism is literally the state telling people how to discipline their children. That is as totalitarian as it gets.
 
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konfab said:
And who allowed the kid the access to something he shouldn't have?

Nevertheless, you can get them to do it by showing them how to do it, and why they should clean up. Way more productive than simply losing your temper and taking it out on them.
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Part of properly training a child for real life is leaving most things within reach and teaching him that if he abuses them pain follows..... just like in real life except the pain is not always physical.
 
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konfab said:
This is a simple application of basic natural rights to children.

Totalitarianism happens when you violate people's rights, which is what you do when you spank a child.
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Basic natural rights? Children don't actually understand anything more complex than spankings..... many voters don't either.
 
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rietrot said:
Well if you ever herded animals you will know that sometimes you hit them with the rod.
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Having grown up on a sheep farm between Griekwastad and Prieska I would say I might know a little about herding sheep. I don't recall ever having the need to hit a sheep when herding or at any other time.
 
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Myrrdin said:
Having grown up on a sheep farm between Griekwastad and Prieska I would say I might know a little about herding sheep. I don't recall ever having the need to hit a sheep when herding or at any other time.
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ok and donkeys or goats?
 
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surface said:
Interesting - so that is one explanation. How about others?
Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Matthew 15:4, Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9

Court rules hidings for kids officially illegal

More kids misbehaving without consequences now. Good, this is basic equality of the law being applied constantly. You don't have a right to smack your wife or anyone else, why should you have a right to smack your children? Do kids necessarily have the same rights as adults? Let's try that...
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I hate to state the obvious but here we go.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 - Has nothing to do with a parent applying corporal punishment to a child. It says that as a parent you are responsible to expose even a child for his/her crimes and not hide it. Even to the point where the elders (state) imposes the death penalty.

Matthew 15:4, Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9 - Also speaks to the application of being put to death by authority not corporal punishment to be dished out by parents.
 
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Myrrdin said:
Having grown up on a sheep farm between Griekwastad and Prieska I would say I might know a little about herding sheep. I don't recall ever having the need to hit a sheep when herding or at any other time.
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BS.

You probably had workers that did all the work whilst you sat inside.
 
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rietrot said:
Kids don't have the same rights as adults yet until they are 18.
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Political rights, yes.

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Totalitarianism is literally the state telling people how to discipline their children. That is as totalitarian as it gets.
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So why isn't it totalitarianism when the state arrests a man for disciplining his wife? 'mashallah brother...

Hmm, lets look at a totalitarian state.

Alois Hitler was extremely keen for his son to do well in life. Alois did have another son Alois Matzelsberger, but he had been a big disappointment to him and eventually ended up in prison for theft. Alois was a strict father and savagely beat his son if he did not do as he was told. Hitler later wrote: "After reading one day in Karl May (a popular writer of boys' books) that the brave man gives no sign of being in pain, I made up my mind not to let out any sound next time I was beaten. And when the moment came - I counted every blow." Afterwards he proudly told his mother: "Father hit me thirty-two times.... and I did not cry". Hitler told Christa Schroeder about his relationship with his parents: "I never loved my father, but feared him. He was prone to rages and would resort to violence. My poor mother would then always be afraid for me." (9)
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Stalin’s father was an abusive, hard-drinking man who would often brutishly beat both young Josef and his mother, making Stalin’s childhood a true nightmare. Some sources state that he was not Stalin’s real father and perhaps that is why he often abused young Stalin and his wife.
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https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017...-whole-world-upside-down-he-has-disgraced-me/

I am shocked, truly and utterly shocked.
 
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