Court rules hidings for kids officially illegal

[ForceFate]

BS.

You probably had workers that did all the work whilst you sat inside.

Personally, I've never seen anyone hit sheep for disobedience. Goats on the other hand...

 

[rietrot]

Political rights, yes.



So why isn't it totalitarianism when the state arrests a man for disciplining his wife? 'mashallah brother...

Hmm, lets look at a totalitarian state.




https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017...-whole-world-upside-down-he-has-disgraced-me/

I am shocked, truly and utterly shocked.

Not just political rights, whatever you mean by that.
There we go with the BS strawmen again.

Does a man have authority over his wife the same way he does over his child, or the same way the state has authority over him?

Are you okay if the state use force to arrest/make a criminal comply with their orders when he is resisting arrest?

Can parents divorce their kids if they have a fundamental disagreement?

 

[buka001]

There we go with the BS strawmen again.

Does a man have authority over his wife the same way he does over his child, or the same way the state has authority over him.

Are you okay if the state use force to arrest/make a criminal comply with their orders when he is resisting arrest.

Can parents divorce their kids if they have a fundamental disagreement.

Why do you see a marriage as a system where a man has some kind of authority over his wife? Why can they not be equal?

 

[rietrot]

Why do you see a marriage as a system where a man has some kind of authority over his wife? Why can they not be equal?

I don't, they are eqaul.
I added qeustion marks.
The children are not equal they are subordinate minors in the care of the adults.

 

[buka001]

I don't, they are eqaul.
I added qeustion marks.
The children are not equal they are subordinate minors in the care of the adults.

So because they lack emotional maturity and intelligence society should use violence to subjugate them to obedience?

What does that teach them about their emotions and how to deal with those situations?

 

[rietrot]

So because they lack emotional maturity and intelligence society should use violence to subjugate them to obedience?

What does that teach them about their emotions and how to deal with those situations?

Who said anything about society?

 

[buka001]

Who said anything about society?

Don't be so obtuse.

For your level then, should parents subjugate children through violence to ensure obedience, despite their children lacking key and critical emotional intelligence and understanding of the world and behaviours?

 

[Nanfeishen]

Having grown up on a sheep farm between Griekwastad and Prieska I would say I might know a little about herding sheep. I don't recall ever having the need to hit a sheep when herding or at any other time.

ok and donkeys or goats?

Sheep, Goats and Donkeys , no different to children really, some move and listen with no problem , others require more persuasion.

Nobody responds the same way to discipline. Just as some children require less discipline others require more. Some children understand when enough is enough while others like to challenge authority.
The whole point of hidings and corporal punishment is not to inflict pain, but to teach children there are consequences to their actions, and sometimes those consequences can and will be painfull.
This "blanket" law is quite simply another in an ever increasing number of regulations and laws that are undermining the fabric of society, the cohesion of family life and creating a society where individuals no longer carry the same sense of respect for the rule of law and authority, nor the dread or fear of the consequences for certain actions.

 

[buka001]

Interesting so see that many of the people who felt that a Gillette advert was an assault on their masculinity and felt that it threatened their standing in society, were also smacked as kids.

I thought being smacked enthralled a sense of stoicism and resilience?

Yet the collective meltdown over a TV advert would seem to say otherwise?

 

[buka001]

Sheep, Goats and Donkeys , no different to children really, some move and listen with no problem , others require more persuasion.

Nobody responds the same way to discipline. Just as some children require less discipline others require more. Some children understand when enough is enough while others like to challenge authority.
The whole point of hidings and corporal punishment is not to inflict pain, but to teach children there are consequences to their actions, and sometimes those consequences can and will be painfull.
This "blanket" law is quite simply another in an ever increasing number of regulations and laws that are undermining the fabric of society, the cohesion of family life and creating a society where individuals no longer carry the same sense of respect for the rule of law and authority, nor the dread or fear of the consequences for certain actions.

My 5yr old has displayed far more intelligence than any goat or donkey could hope to muster.

So smacking him is somehow appropriate because that is how humans treat animals, when in the opinion of a human, the animal is being obstinate?

Ok then.

 

[rietrot]

Don't be so obtuse.

For your level then, should parents subjugate children through violence to ensure obedience, despite their children lacking key and critical emotional intelligence and understanding of the world and behaviours?

Not obtuse. I'm not a collectivist. Society cannot do anything. Individual actions enforce society, not the other way around.

Basically yes.

It will help with understanding the world around them before they really hurt themselves or even worse become entitled spoiled brats.

And calling it violence or abuse is dishonest.

 

[rambo919]

Why do you see a marriage as a system where a man has some kind of authority over his wife? Why can they not be equal?

Firstly: why must everyone be completely equal? where has this ever been implemented with great long term success?
Secondly: you are probably confusing/conflating rights and roles, everyone is under the authority of someone else in all spheres of life, even in communism this was never eliminated
Thirdly: any marriage with no one in any special authority ends up the same as one army with two generals..... constant bickering and questioning the judgement of one another and in the end they loose many to most of their battles.... it's STUPID to do even in sheer logical terms and worse than even if the general in charge is an idiot.

 

[konfab]

Interesting so see that many of the people who felt that a Gillette advert was an assault on their masculinity and felt that it threatened their standing in society, were also smacked as kids.

I thought being smacked enthralled a sense of stoicism and resilience?

Yet the collective meltdown over a TV advert would seem to say otherwise?

That advert was trash
A good chunk of the spanking is committed by woman (because they spend more time around children), and boys are more likely to be the victims of it.

The research has shown consistent gender differences in spanking, in terms of both the parents who use it and the children who receive it. In studies of gender differences in the parental use of spanking, most studies have found that women use spanking more than men (Day, Peterson, & McCracken, 1998; Gunnoe & Mariner, 1997; Nobes, Smith, Upton, & Heverin, 1999; Jackson, Thompson, Christiansen, Colman, Wyatt, Buckendahl, Wilcox, & Peterson, 1999; Straus, 1994, Straus & Stewart, 1999; Xu, Tung, & Dunaway, 2000). In studies of gender differences in child receipt of spanking, parents are more likely to use spanking and other forms of corporal punishment with boys than with girls (Clement, Bouchard, Jette, & Laferriere, 2000; Jackson et al., 1999; Straus & Stewart, 1999), and they use spanking (Berlin et al., 2009) and corporal punishment (Frechette & Romano, 2015) more often with male children than with female children. Boys, and especially African American boys, disproportionately receive corporal punishment in schools in the United States

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/c88e/11fbc379b106169c7ba40e4c3e9dab28a92e.pdf

And if you look at the effects of spanking, it usually results in higher aggression in boys, and more depression in girls.

But yeah, men are the problem. ...

 

[rambo919]

Meh, I was actually beaten worse during college hostel initiation than my parents ever did and I never developed "higher aggression". I never trust such research to be honest.

 

[konfab]

Meh, I was actually beaten worse during college hostel initiation than my parents ever did and I never developed "higher aggression". I never trust such research to be honest.

1) That is an anecdote.
2) That is unprovable.

 

[rambo919]

1) That is an anecdote.
2) That is unprovable.

Well I'm not going around needlessly punching people am I? Nor am I getting into barfights all the time. The conclusions drawn from the research is overstated and ignores more important things like why or how the children were beaten.... simple spankings do nothing to harm anyone long term if they are deserved.

The only part of a necessary spanking that can harm a child is if the spanker is also being emotionally abusive which forms a link in the childs mind between emotional and physical damage. Emotional damage is FAR more destructive than any spanking.

 

[konfab]

Well I'm not going around needlessly punching people am I? Nor am I getting into barfights all the time. The conclusions drawn from the research is overstated and ignores more important things like why or how the children were beaten.... simple spankings do nothing to harm anyone long term if they are deserved.

The only part of a necessary spanking that can harm a child is if the spanker is also being emotionally abusive which forms a link in the childs mind between emotional and physical damage. Emotional damage is FAR more destructive than any spanking.

Do you know what anecdotal evidence is?

 

[rambo919]

Do you know what anecdotal evidence is?

Do you know that the same people often either demand anecdotal evidence from someone or dismiss it out of hand depending on whether it suits their argument?

 

[konfab]

Do you know that the same people often either demand anecdotal evidence from someone or dismiss it out of hand depending on whether it suits their argument?

You were the one dismissing evidence of a study with your anecdote.

 

[rambo919]

You were the one dismissing evidence of a study with your anecdote.

At this point I dismiss all studies created to prove specific points, no anecdote needed. Obvious corruption is obvious.