Court rules hidings for kids officially illegal

[Beyond.Celsus]

Do the laws that punish you for assaulting someone imply that the government is telling you how to live a married life?

Curse those snowflake government officials, now I will have to talk to my wife instead of just beating her.

Whatever you say pal.
Children need to be disciplined. A hiding is not the same as punching someone in the face.
Don't bother replying, because I wont 'debate' the matter further.

 

[Corelli]

Please note that as of immediate effect. The constitution and the government are now liable to be sued for teenage pregnancy where the parents couldnt enforce discipline. The government and the constitutional court will thus be liable to carry all the costs for the pregnancies going forward. Same with any violent crime ie rape and murder due to bad parenting.

 

[N@t3]

The lack of getting a good beating is now showing itself in society.

 

[konfab]

Typical, people is necklassing each other in the streets and they're worried about kids being spanked.

I am sure the people who are doing the necklassing have justified it to themselves that they are doing it for their own good.

 

[konfab]

Whatever you say pal.
Children need to be disciplined. A hiding is not the same as punching someone in the face.
Don't bother replying, because I wont 'debate' the matter further.

I have never said that children shouldn't be disciplined.
I said that they shouldn't be hit by their parents.

The court hasn't made taking away their wifi illegal.

 

[ProfA]

This ruling only came into effect in 2017.

I pass it back to you, look at society today and see how well corporal punishment has worked in generating a peaceful and orderly society.

Wait. You are blaming today's society on corporal punishment?

 

[gottagoon]

Let me guess, you are shocked when a mob of protestors does exactly the same thing?

Protesters are not kids. Oh wait, this is SA where protesters act like damn naughty kids that have a liking of destroying things when they don't get their way.....

 

[Lupus]

Please note that as of immediate effect. The constitution and the government are now liable to be sued for teenage pregnancy where the parents couldnt enforce discipline. The government and the constitutional court will thus be liable to carry all the costs for the pregnancies going forward. Same with any violent crime ie rape and murder due to bad parenting.

WTF are you smoking? How does your mind work? Can't hit a child, suddenly it leads to teenage pregnancies. I will admit in the past I did give my son hidings, but in the last 3 years I've not. There are other ways to discipline a child, hitting them isn't one of them.

 

[konfab]

Please note that as of immediate effect. The constitution and the government are now liable to be sued for teenage pregnancy where the parents couldnt enforce discipline. The government and the constitutional court will thus be liable to carry all the costs for the pregnancies going forward. Same with any violent crime ie rape and murder due to bad parenting.

Bad parenting plays a massive part of it. Who do you think should teach someone that hurting others is wrong? The government?

 

[konfab]

Protesters are not kids. Oh wait, this is SA where protesters act like damn naughty kids that have a liking of destroying things when they don't get their way.....

So you are complaining that people use violence to get their own way is bad, but simultaneously defend parents using violence against their kids to get their own way.

 

[saturnz]

So you are complaining that people use violence to get their own way is bad, but simultaneously defend parents using violence against their kids to get their own way.

this is the point right here "violence is bad except when I use it"

 

[The_Mowgs]

So what will this lead to?

Parents being sent to jail, and their kids becoming orphans?

R150 000 fines

 

[yebocan]

The lack of getting a good beating is now showing itself in society.

because there is difference between a smack and a beating...
some parents don't know the difference, between reasonable ....and that is just ****ed up, hitting/beating a child. Hence the the court erring on the side of protecting the child

Judgement was response to : http://saflii.org/za/cases/ZAGPJHC/2017/290.html

[1] The appellant in this matter was tried in the Regional Court, Johannesburg, on two charges of assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm. The first charge related to his alleged assault of his 13-year old son, M, and the second charge related to his alleged assault of his wife. The two assaults were alleged to have occurred at the family home on the same day, although they occurred at different times.

[2] The trial court found the appellant guilty on both charges on the competent verdict of common assault. The court invoked section 297(1)(a)(ii) of the Criminal Procedure Act 51 of 1977, and postponed the passing of sentence against the appellant for a period of five years. The magistrate granted the appellant leave to appeal against his convictions.

[3] As far as the facts relating to the first charge are concerned, it is common cause that on the day of the incident M was sitting on his parents' bed in their bedroom using one of the family's iPads. The appellant entered the room and accused M of watching pornographic material on the iPad. M denied this, but the appellant persisted with the accusation. There was a verbal exchange between them, with the appellant insisting that M should tell him the truth. When M repeated his denial the appellant hit him. He told M that he was lying, and he said that he was giving him another opportunity to tell the truth. When M refused to admit he was lying, the appellant hit him again. This pattern repeated itself a number of times.

[4] The appellant's defence at the trial was that he had done nothing more than to exercise his right as a parent to chastise M by meting out reasonable corporal punishment for M's indiscipline. He told the court that they are a Muslim family and that M knew that pornography is strictly forbidden.

 

[Ninja'd]

Why punish your child physically when emotional damage yields longer lasting effects?

 

[Corelli]

I think we should ban that WWF or whatever rubbish it's called. How can wrestling be a good sport if you cant hit one another, let alone with a chair, a post, a book, really anything.

We pay for that crap on SABC, but then we say we cant punish our kids appropriately.

 

[ProfA]

this is the point right here "violence is bad except when I use it"

And dont find it strange we were a relatively better society during this time of double standards?

 

[saturnz]

And dont find it strange we were a relatively better society during this time of double standards?

I don't know, how do you measure whether a society is better or not?

 

[Corelli]

R150 000 fines

So I tell my kids, sorry I have to pay a R150k fine, so I cant afford for you to go to school anymore, of for you to go to university.

I think my kids would rather take the spanks.

 

[spiff]

and that's why we have the k@k we have today

 

[Ninja'd]

The beatings will continue until morale improves.