Courts Side with Apple to Block Samsung Galaxy Nexus

Ancalagon

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Here is a screenshot of the offending feature:

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If I search for FNB, it finds the FNB app on my phone, an FNB phone number that I have stored in my contacts list, and a link to their website. According to Apple, this causes them "irreparable harm" by competing directly with Siri and stealing sales. Considering how different the two features are, I am amazed that the judge accepted their reasoning. (And this is assuming that the patent is even valid in the first place; I would very surprised if there is no prior art dating back prior to 2004 for such an obvious feature.)

I think google even had a desktop search feature a while ago that did a similar thing.
 

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Here is a screenshot of the offending feature:

If I search for FNB, it finds the FNB app on my phone, an FNB phone number that I have stored in my contacts list, and a link to their website. According to Apple, this causes them "irreparable harm" by competing directly with Siri and stealing sales. Considering how different the two features are, I am amazed that the judge accepted their reasoning. (And this is assuming that the patent is even valid in the first place; I would very surprised if there is no prior art dating back prior to 2004 for such an obvious feature.)

There is prior art, Google's own desktop search application was released before the patent was filed. But Apple claimed that the patent in question stems from an earlier patent that Apple filed back in 2000.

Will have to see where this story goes, worse case people in the US can not get the feature anymore. Will not affect SA or other countries.
 

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Interesting, and in turn I assume it earns Apple big bucks. Which begs the question of this entire thread!

Well not entirely. Apple wants to dump Google (See maps and Siri) and Google in turn need a proper safety net else they could see their main business (Advertisers) go some place else.
 

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Well not entirely. Apple wants to dump Google (See maps and Siri) and Google in turn need a proper safety net else they could see their main business (Advertisers) go some place else.

They need to tie into Google's search engine, and then there is still plenty more apps from Google to boot. But as usual the big A doesn't feel the need to give people a choice, our way or the highway.
 

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They need to tie into Google's search engine, and then there is still plenty more apps from Google to boot. But as usual the big A doesn't feel the need to give people a choice, our way or the highway.

Siri use wolfram alpha and takes a big load from Google search volume away so it is kind of serious but I do agree with your other view. In fact now that iOS6 will be replacing Google maps, Google may just be able to update the dam thing without Apple's interventions.

Google maps on my iPhone really sucks compared to the Android one.
 

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Google overides ban with OTA that removes local search from Nexus Phones:



Source The Verge

So I guess they will just add it back if they finally win the case or keep it off if they lose. The best part about this is A) you do not have to update as an End user and B) you can always use APK's if you do need it :)

How many people here actually use the search to find things on their phones?
I have yet to use it to look for something on my phone so just curious. (This goes for both Android and iOS)

I never do. I actually make it a point to remove the search bar on every ROM I install because I think it is unneccesary.
 

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OMW this is classic. The Nexus was blocked because of a patent used by Siri. Now Apple have to defend Siri in China as it infringes on someone elses Patents

China Tech Company Sues Apple for Patent Infringement

BEIJING--Shanghai Zhi Zhen Internet Technology said Thursday it has filed a suit against Apple Inc. (AAPL) for patent infringement in a Shanghai court.

A spokesman for the company said it had filed a suit in June against Apple for infringing on a patent it holds for its Xiao i Robot, a Chinese language, automated-voice system similar to Siri.

Earlier this month Apple said it would unroll Mandarin and Cantonese speaking Siri software for the China and Hong Kong markets.

A spokesman for Zhi Zhen said the company had sent a letter to Apple in May with its complaints, but did not receive a response.

He added the purpose of the suit was to stop Apple from infringing on its technology and force the world's most valuable company to bear the cost of litigation. The spokesman said it applied for a patent for its voice software in 2004.

Apple could not be reached for comment. Zhi Zhen said its customers included China Mobile Ltd. and China Telecom Corp.

Source Nasdaq & The Next Web

Even better, Google Nexus will be returning to Google Play next week as the OTA updates have been approved.
 

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"Hooray for Apple" I say. The more ridiculous the whole patent saga becomes (which the system is allowing) the faster we will hopefully see the changes necessary.
 

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"Hooray for Apple" I say. The more ridiculous the whole patent saga becomes (which the system is allowing) the faster we will hopefully see the changes necessary.

I agree with you on this point. It is a farce as it currently stands.
 

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"Hooray for Apple" I say. The more ridiculous the whole patent saga becomes (which the system is allowing) the faster we will hopefully see the changes necessary.

I'm afraid that will never happen.

There is far too much money on the side of special interests to ever get patent reform that would actually make it better.
 

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I'm afraid that will never happen.

There is far too much money on the side of special interests to ever get patent reform that would actually make it better.

^ This

We will just have to learn to live with it.
 

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I was just watching this video for Google Now. It's pretty impressive:

[video=youtube;fHkhp6BwnGo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHkhp6BwnGo[/video]


A couple of things to consider:

1. Unlike the existing unified search and Voice Actions on Android, this looks like a serious competitor to Siri. While it doesn't match Siri's functionality exactly, it actually looks better in several respects.

2. I notice that it searches both locally and online. At one point, the guy asks it to find contact information on the phone. Presumably this means it violates the same 604 patent that Apple is asserting against the Galaxy Nexus running ICS.

3. The JB update for the GNex is coming out soon; perhaps in around two weeks or so.


Here's what I think is going to happen. Early next week, Google is going to send out the OTA update that disables unified search on the current version of the GNex. They will ask the judge to lift the injunction, and will resume selling the phone through the Play Store. About two weeks later, the official JB update will be pushed out. Apple will then go back to court, arguing that Google is not enforcing the court's order. Google will argue that Google Now is a new feature that was not part of the original court case, and that Apple needs to file present new evidence that Google Now violates the 604 patent. Apple will argue that Google Now is essentially the same feature, but rebranded with a different name. If the judge agrees that Google is not enforcing the injunction, she could hold them in contempt of court.

In short, I predict that this dispute is going to reach a whole new level of ugliness very soon. Expect Apple to sue Google directly as soon as the Nexus 7 ships.
 

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Interesting take on Apple and patents -

Why the ‘Boycott Apple’ Movement is Dumb

It’s based on the myth of Apple exceptionalism

Boycott Apple advocates pretend to believe what they do not (or should not) believe, which that companies that don’t sue over patents don’t sue because they’re nice, or virtuous or believe in the free exchange of ideas.

The reality is that they don’t sue because they don’t have a case.

When companies have a patent case they think they can win, they sue. In fact, Apple itself is currently defending itself from patent infringement cases brought by China’s Zhi Zhen Internet Technology, and Silicon Valley’s Noise Free Wireless.

And Apple has been sued in the past by Nokia (which won the case), and others.

And Apple isn’t the only company suing over alleged patent infringement by Android or Android devices.

Nokia, for example, is suing Google and Asus. And Microsoft got Motorola devices banned in the US for infringing patents.

Publicly held companies pursue their own interests, and the interests of their shareholders. The truth is that patent lawsuits are trivially inexpensive for big companies to pursue, compared with potential benefits. There’s no downside to suing over patent infringement if you think you might win.

When companies file lawsuits that are frivolous on their face, they go nowhere or are tossed out of court. When Apple and Motorola were going at it last month, the judge got fed up and told both parties to get out and not come back.

The bottom line is that, yes, Apple sues when it thinks it can win a patent-infringement case. And so does every other company.

It diverts opposition from the real problem: The patent system

The Boycott Apple people tend to be confused about what they’re criticizing when they criticize Apple.

For example, when critics say that Apple didn’t invent this technology or that technology, they think they’re criticizing Apple when in fact they’re criticizing the patent system.

What they’re saying is that Apple’s methodology for which they were granted a patent is overly broad, and should not apply to slightly different methodologies or the whole idea should not be patentable.

In other words, they’re disagreeing with the rules.

Patents are a zero sum game. If Apple doesn’t apply for and then defend a patent, someone else will and ban Apple products. Those are the rules.

And so in order to defend itself, companies like Apple play by the rules because to not do so would be suicide.

More here
 

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I was just watching this video for Google Now. It's pretty impressive:

[video=youtube;fHkhp6BwnGo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHkhp6BwnGo[/video]


A couple of things to consider:

1. Unlike the existing unified search and Voice Actions on Android, this looks like a serious competitor to Siri. While it doesn't match Siri's functionality exactly, it actually looks better in several respects.

2. I notice that it searches both locally and online. At one point, the guy asks it to find contact information on the phone. Presumably this means it violates the same 604 patent that Apple is asserting against the Galaxy Nexus running ICS.

3. The JB update for the GNex is coming out soon; perhaps in around two weeks or so.


Here's what I think is going to happen. Early next week, Google is going to send out the OTA update that disables unified search on the current version of the GNex. They will ask the judge to lift the injunction, and will resume selling the phone through the Play Store. About two weeks later, the official JB update will be pushed out. Apple will then go back to court, arguing that Google is not enforcing the court's order. Google will argue that Google Now is a new feature that was not part of the original court case, and that Apple needs to file present new evidence that Google Now violates the 604 patent. Apple will argue that Google Now is essentially the same feature, but rebranded with a different name. If the judge agrees that Google is not enforcing the injunction, she could hold them in contempt of court.

In short, I predict that this dispute is going to reach a whole new level of ugliness very soon. Expect Apple to sue Google directly as soon as the Nexus 7 ships.

How? Much like previous Nexus incantations, Google does not develop the hardware, ASUS does.

Even targeting Motorola is not a direct attack on it's holding company.
 

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Interesting take on Apple and patents -

More here

What a load of ****.

You can clearly see this was written by an Apple fanatic. Nokia is not suing ASUS or Google, they have just mentioned that they did not take out a license yet for the Nexus 7. no court paper nothing. Apple is the most active in regard to patents cause they are dicks See proof. Google was well known to have been anti-patents from the start in fact they even sponsored anti patent groups in the past. They did not file for patents on most of there inventions because of this view, current multi source search is proof of that as Google invented this before Apple even owned the patent See Desktop search.

Apple is even well known to file for patents to block people from making some inventions come true.
See for example http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100104/0428457584.shtml
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18410563

Lets not even get to the whole Nortel Saga where Apple got RIM and Microsoft to form a coalition to block Google from getting the patents it wanted in order to form a defense.

Sure the real problem is the patent system but being a dick about it does not make you the good guy. At least Microsoft is open in looking for cross patent licence deals, not apple they just want to stop people from competing, there is a huge difference.
 

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What a load of ****.

You can clearly see this was written by an Apple fanatic. Nokia is not suing ASUS or Google, they have just mentioned that they did not take out a license yet for the Nexus 7. no court paper nothing. Apple is the most active in regard to patents cause they are dicks See proof. Google was well known to have been anti-patents from the start in fact they even sponsored anti patent groups in the past. They did not file for patents on most of there inventions because of this view, current multi source search is proof of that as Google invented this before Apple even owned the patent See Desktop search.

Apple is even well known to file for patents to block people from making some inventions come true.
See for example http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100104/0428457584.shtml
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18410563

Lets not even get to the whole Nortel Saga where Apple got RIM and Microsoft to form a coalition to block Google from getting the patents it wanted in order to form a defense.

Sure the real problem is the patent system but being a dick about it does not make you the good guy. At least Microsoft is open in looking for cross patent licence deals, not apple they just want to stop people from competing, there is a huge difference.

Admittedly I did catch a whiff of pro-Apple bias from the article. :D

One or two good points amid the waffle though.
 

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Sure the real problem is the patent system but being a dick about it does not make you the good guy. At least Microsoft is open in looking for cross patent licence deals, not apple they just want to stop people from competing, there is a huge difference.

Is Apple stopping people from competing with them or just not willing to license knock-offs?

However it is adorable that people still think that there are some corporations that are good and some that are evil. This is how the game is played at that level. Feel free to pick a side and cheer or boo from the sidelines but don't pretend any of them have some kind of moral superiority.
 

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However it is adorable that people still think that there are some corporations that are good and some that are evil. This is how the game is played at that level. Feel free to pick a side and cheer or boo from the sidelines but don't pretend any of them have some kind of moral superiority.

/applause
 
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