Covid-19 and the dreams of our petty tyrants

Gordon_R

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I have touched on the issue in several other threads, but this article describes an important aspect to the COVID crisis, and the response by authorities at many levels: https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2020-03-29-covid-19-and-the-dreams-of-our-petty-tyrants/
Something scared me more than the virus last week. It was the language used by a few ANC politicians, no matter how conditionally phrased. Like ‘skop, skiet and donder’ and other gentle reminders of what additional force and violence can be brought to bear on citizens now stripped of their incomes. Language used by Police Minister Bheki Cele and Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula.
And now they were about to shut down an entire country and its economy, after a few days of planning? With its labyrinthine and ill-understood complexities, interconnections and interdependencies? Cluster-f, I said to myself. This is going to be a cluster-f. And then I said it out loud. Unsurprisingly, I was roundly booed by those who had heard.
This government, I suspect, is going to find out the limitations of its power, and paucity of its proclamations, and the attendant opprobrium at the ballot boxes.

If you are a single mother in a shack (or even a one-room cinderblock home) with four hungry kids, you aren’t going to stay home. Period. No army or police force in the world is going to make you. Hungry kids trump national disasters.
Home lockdown is simply inappropriate, cruel and dangerous for large segments of our society. You may well argue that the virus is more dangerous. I do not agree.
 
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Prime example of stupidity at work. Diabetic arrested for trying to buy pre-paid electricity, and thrown into police cells for the afternoon:
“I’m sure there’s lots of under-trained and over-zealous law enforcement officials who haven’t been adequately prepared for this,” said Andrew Boraine, CEO of the Western Cape Economic Development Partnership.
 
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I think it's nice not to be the one in charge making decisions, you just sit there and wait for the decision makers to act then take your time finding all the flaws in the decisions. It's a nice position to be in because it's a win win, whatever the government does you will always find something to criticize, if they impose a lockdown, you find reasons why the lockdown was such a bad idea, if they don't and people die in their numbers you'll be there again, blaming the government for not doing anything to protect its people.

It would be nice to hear what alternatives daily maverick has, because all they've done so far is complain about the language used by Cele and find flaws with the government strategy.
 
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I think it's nice not to be the one in charge making decisions, you just sit there and wait for the decision makers to act then take your time finding all the flaws in the decisions. It's a nice position to be in because it a win win, whatever the government does you will always find something to criticize, if they impose a lockdown, you find reasons why the lockdown was such a bad idea, if they don't vand people die in their numbers you'll be there again, blaming the government for not doing anything to protect its people.

It would be nice to hear what alternatives daily maverick has, because all they've done so far is complain about the language used by Cele and find flaws with the government strategy.
Thread derail: The job of the government is to govern. The role of the media is to hold them accountable.

Try reading the article:
But on the ground, perhaps a dollop of empathy and civility and flexibility and humility from the ministers and their thousands of enforcers.

“What are you doing on the street ma’am? Can I help? Your children are hungry? Let me escort you and the little ones to the store, the clinic. Please stay this far from the person in front of you in the queue. Please try to stay indoors when you can. Please wash your hands often, and your children’s. Please stay safe. Here is a number to call if you need to get out of your home for an emergency, they will advise, help and most of all, listen.”

With the arrogant and terrifying bluster and snarling threats from petty tyrants above, can one imagine this, here, ever?
 

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The public are not exactly saints in this whole thing either. I'd also be twitchy if I had to enforce this law in Mitchells Plain.
Another derail, the old law-and-order response:
You need to disperse, otherwise you may spread the virus. Shooting will commence in 15 minutes.
 

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I think it's nice not to be the one in charge making decisions, you just sit there and wait for the decision makers to act then take your time finding all the flaws in the decisions. It's a nice position to be in because it a win win, whatever the government does you will always find something to criticize, if they impose a lockdown, you find reasons why the lockdown was such a bad idea, if they don't vand people die in their numbers you'll be there again, blaming the government for not doing anything to protect its people.

It would be nice to hear what alternatives daily maverick has, because all they've done so far is complain about the language used by Cele and find flaws with the government strategy.
It must be nice to be in charge making decisions in this country. You just sit there and make decisions without due consideration, and when flaws in the decisions crop up (say people starving to death because they have no income) you just dream up solutions (like relief funds) with no real plan (or hope) for implementation. And, when it all inevitably fails, you can always blame Apartheid, or unforseen circumstances, and rest assured that you already have the apparatus for a police state in place.

Seriously though. A lock down cannot work in SA without it being brutally and callously enforced.
 

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Another derail, the old law-and-order response:
You need to disperse, otherwise you may spread the virus. Shooting will commence in 15 minutes.
The government is a reflection of society as a whole. If we are honest South Africa has long since parted with being a country of good people.

Anger, violence, paranoia, and power at any cost reign supreme.

I personal note if I may. I used to be the good samaritan helping out where I can even if it cost me time and money. Now? If I was still there and a woman flags me down next to the road that looks grievously injured, I would drive right past. My first thought would be, "someone is going to jump out and rob me the moment I stop".

If you told my younger self that I would do this he would not believe it. But the taint of this country seeps into your being and makes you less than you were. And perhaps the most frightening is it happens gradually that most do not even realize what they have become.

SA is a broken rainbow nation ruled over by corrupt, power-hungry tyrants. At this point, anything decent being done comes to me as a surprise rather than an expectation.
 

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Voters paying the price for their k@k choice at the ballot box. Good.

Sucks for the rest of us but hey what will be will be
 

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I think it's nice not to be the one in charge making decisions, you just sit there and wait for the decision makers to act then take your time finding all the flaws in the decisions. It's a nice position to be in because it a win win, whatever the government does you will always find something to criticize, if they impose a lockdown, you find reasons why the lockdown was such a bad idea, if they don't vand people die in their numbers you'll be there again, blaming the government for not doing anything to protect its people.

It would be nice to hear what alternatives daily maverick has, because all they've done so far is complain about the language used by Cele and find flaws with the government strategy.
Did anyone hold a gun to their heads and force them to be in charge? Nope. So they can damn well perform of **** off out the kitchen.
 

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I think it's nice not to be the one in charge making decisions, you just sit there and wait for the decision makers to act then take your time finding all the flaws in the decisions. It's a nice position to be in because it a win win, whatever the government does you will always find something to criticize, if they impose a lockdown, you find reasons why the lockdown was such a bad idea, if they don't vand people die in their numbers you'll be there again, blaming the government for not doing anything to protect its people.

It would be nice to hear what alternatives daily maverick has, because all they've done so far is complain about the language used by Cele and find flaws with the government strategy.
You err on the side of civil liberty. Every time.

They should have rather enforced a mask law than stopping people from buying magazines.
 

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Seriously though. A lock down cannot work in SA without it being brutally and callously enforced.
Therefore the solution would have been a more considered approach. The president and the national command centre (hows that for a nicely militarised phrase?) went straight from zero to putting the boot in.

The lessons and methods of apartheid were well learnt and are being vigorously applied by the exact victims of that brutal and callous system.
 

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Voters paying the price for their k@k choice at the ballot box. Good.

Sucks for the rest of us but hey what will be will be
Funny you mention the ballot box. We wont see one of those for a long time now, unless it's already stuffed with ANC votes already.
 

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Thread derail: The job of the government is to govern. The role of the media is to hold them accountable.

Try reading the article:
And the job of the people?

or do we just braai and wait for someone else to address our complaints turned into threads?
 
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