Covid-19 compared to Black Death and others

Lupus

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And yet the total deaths still show that covid-19 death figures are still severely understated. Even with conspiracy theorists saying for several months that many people who don't die from covid-19 are counted as covid-19 deaths.
Are they? Or are they over stated? We don't know because how everyone records deaths is different.
 

tetrasect

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There wouldn't have been 60 million deaths, stop drinking the Kool-aid. The Spanish flu was over a 100 years ago and you know there were a million different reasons it spread like it did. Firstly there was this thing called WW1 that was happening and just tying up, so soilders were coming back with it, hygiene was a lot worse. They didn't really know about germs as they do now. Also no one actually knows how many people it really killed as record keeping on deaths wasn't great.
If you want to compare look at 1958/59 Asian Flu and 1968/69 Hong Kong Flu. No lockdowns, barely anyone knew about it and it killed the same or more than what Covid has, as the problem is no one also knows how many people it too killed due to the way flu deaths are recorded.
You cannot compare Covid to the Spanish flu, different viruses, different world. You may as well compare it to the bubonic plague.
Also looking at the deaths, 20% of them are in the US which we know is all over the place on their lockdown stratergy.

How many deaths would there have been then? And please show us how you calculate it (and don't come with your 0.0026% crap that you saw in your dreams last night).
 

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No wtf is wrong with you? You're acting like this is a great plague that it's justifiable to screw the entire world up over. When in reality it's not, if the media hadn't gone and hyped this up, it wouldn't be a problem. It's people like you calling for the measures that are killing economies which will kill more people than the virus ever would.
Hospitals require money, money that people need to go out and earn, if they can't do that the hospitals close down, if they close down more deaths.
The virus isn't as bad as you're thinking so pull your head out of the sand and start living life again.

No. I'm acting like it's a global pandemic with ratified numbers and hard data. Which it is. You flippen nut.
 

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'No wtf is wrong with you? You're acting like this is a great plague that it's justifiable to screw the entire world up over. When in reality it's not, if the media hadn't gone and hyped this up, it wouldn't be a problem. It's people like you calling for the measures that are killing economies which will kill more people than the virus ever would.'

Lupus is correct.

You can't shutdown the whole world's economies - the life-support machine which sustains us all - simply because the WHO, and others of its ilk, makes an alarmist claim about an exponential deadly virus on the loose.

Why? Because these people have something to hide, you fskn ignoramuses. Are you not paying any attention at all?


Your state-enabled safe-space-protected sources are betraying you and your children.... to protect their ass*s.

How do you avoid hyper-inflation? You can't. Next best solution... find a patsy. Preferably one that cannot defend itself when blamed for wanton economic destruction having taken place over the last 100 years but especially since the closing of the gold window, in 1971.
 

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Why could you shut everything down for 2 to 3 weeks in the beginning.
But no we had covid parties and no one listened.

Lock down dont work because too many people ignored it .
 

tetrasect

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'No wtf is wrong with you? You're acting like this is a great plague that it's justifiable to screw the entire world up over. When in reality it's not, if the media hadn't gone and hyped this up, it wouldn't be a problem. It's people like you calling for the measures that are killing economies which will kill more people than the virus ever would.'

Lupus is correct.

You can't shutdown the whole world's economies - the life-support machine which sustains us all - simply because the WHO, and others of its ilk, makes an alarmist claim about an exponential deadly virus on the loose.

Why? Because these people have something to hide, you fskn ignoramuses. Are you not paying any attention at all?


Your state-enabled safe-space-protected sources are betraying you and your children.... to protect their ass*s.

How do you avoid hyper-inflation? You can't. Next best solution... find a patsy. Preferably one that cannot defend itself when blamed for wanton economic destruction having taken place over the last 100 years but especially since the closing of the gold window, in 1971.

Nobody has said anything about the WHO or about hyper-inflation or about the media.

We are simply showing that your "it's just the flu and the lockdown is causing 30x more people to die than the virus ever could" is a pile of steaming turds.

You can hold whatever view you want about the politics of it all but don't use bullshit science as some sort of argument in support of your crazy theories and expect people not to bust you on it.
 

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Nobody has said anything about the WHO or about hyper-inflation or about the media.

We are simply showing that your "it's just the flu and the lockdown is causing 30x more people to die than the virus ever could" is a pile of steaming turds.

You can hold whatever view you want about the politics of it all but don't use bullshit science as some sort of argument in support of your crazy theories and expect people not to bust you on it.

30x more than the virus was stated to. Stated by whom? Let's try to be precise.

I can admit when I'm wrong. You can appreciate that. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

This is not 'some guy on the internet'.

This is a highly trained team of experts... who could be wrong.... but not simply because their findings haven't received the hallowed blessing from on high i.e. from state-protected sources.
 

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This is a highly trained team of experts... who could be wrong.... but not simply because their findings haven't received the hallowed blessing from on high i.e. from state-protected sources.

They are wrong. We already established that many posts ago.

Yet here you are pretending like that never happened and now you're even suggesting that the only reason I think they are wrong is "because their findings haven't received the hallowed blessing from on high i.e. from state-protected sources".

WTF man...

They were conclusively shown to be wrong when excess deaths came down to zero. Their whole hypothesis states that it's the lockdown causing the excess deaths and not the Coronavirus, and that excess deaths would continue to climb even after Coronavirus cases decline.

I seriously don't understand why you are trying to argue a lost case. Stop wasting everyone's time with this BS and come back when you've constructed your viewpoint around facts rather than fiction.

Edit: LOL reading that back to myself sounds flippen harsh, sorry about that... might be getting a little worked up... anyways you get my point :p
 
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They were conclusively shown to be wrong when excess deaths came down to zero. Their whole hypothesis states that it's the lockdown causing the excess deaths and not the Coronavirus, and that excess deaths would continue to climb even after Coronavirus cases decline.
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He didn't say that, tetrasect.

He never denied that some excess deaths are attributable to Covid-19, or at least Corona. Just that it is utterly impossible to shutdown an economy and not experience deaths as a result.

The economy is a giant life-support machine.

We're led to believe it is some kind of means to excess wealth. But this is just Socialist rhetoric.

The human race doubled its life expectancy due to 19th century economic booms, which were made possible by gradual limitations imposed on top-down rulers, in the preceding centuries, starting with the Magna Carta.
 

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Yes he did.


Seriously... are you quite right in the head? Even the title of the fukking video is "the real cause of excess deaths in SA"!

My god...

The 'real cause of excess deaths' is not the same as the 'ONLY cause of excess deaths'.

Please calm down.... you are going wild with your interpretation.

01:55 This video is likely a response to those who have said, with undue attention, that poverty does not kill.

4:33 'I would take any suggestions that all of those excess deaths are a result of Corona, with a massive pinch of salt'
 
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The 'real cause of excess deaths' is not the same as the 'ONLY cause of excess deaths'.

Please calm down.... you are going wild with your interpretation.

01:55 This video is likely a response to those who have said, with undue attention, that poverty does not kill.
You don't seem able to listen, but perhaps you can read. Fortunately YouTube provides a transcript of the video (without punctuation).

...income and that thing that gets displaced is quality nutrition so these things come through thick and fast and we totally expect to see excess mortality in south Africa rise steadily for many years to come as a result of lockdown this is not a surprise to us. what is it has been particularly distasteful for us has been some of the researchers even have suggested that these might be coronavirus deaths and the newspapers certainly have they've headlined it even though the report itself points out that there's no uh reason to suspect that they are or no no there's no basis for concluding that. they are i should say we want that report we need to be stronger because we believe that what will happen is as the western cape uh coronavirus epidemic continues to decline those excess deaths will not decline and our original thesis will unfortunately be seen to have been accurate.
 

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The 'real cause of excess deaths' is not the same as the 'ONLY cause of excess deaths'.

Please calm down.... you are going wild with your interpretation.

01:55 This video is likely a response to those who have said, with undue attention, that poverty does not kill.

4:33 'I would take any suggestions that all of those excess deaths are a result of Corona, with a massive pinch of salt'

There's something very wrong with you... :oops:
 

lexity

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You don't seem able to listen, but perhaps you can read. Fortunately YouTube provides a transcript of the video (without punctuation).

And?

Nothing you have highlighted in bold shows he denies Corona virus accounts for some deaths.

He just says that excess mortality will, over time, increase, as a result of LD.

'what is it has been particularly distasteful for us has been some of the researchers even have suggested that these might be coronavirus deaths'

'these', meaning excess deaths attributable solely to LD.
 

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There's something very wrong with you... :oops:

Who has the better track record in predicting SA death tally? The state which ignored PANDA's advice and the results from the Diamond Princess, at 350k(justifying LD)? Or Panda at 20k?

SA now stands at 17,780... with the virus threat, in the form of further deaths pretty much over.
 

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And?

Nothing you have highlighted in bold shows he denies Corona virus accounts for some deaths.

He just says that excess mortality will, over time, increase, as a result of LD.

'what is it has been particularly distasteful for us has been some of the researchers even have suggested that these might be coronavirus deaths'

'these', meaning excess deaths attributable solely to LD.
He also says that after the Covid-19 epidemic "excess deaths will not decline", which is clearly incorrect in fact.
 

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Who has the better track record in predicting SA death tally? The state which ignored PANDA's advice and the results from the Diamond Princess, at 350k(justifying LD)? Or Panda at 20k?

SA now stands at 17,780... with the virus threat, in the form of further deaths pretty much over.
Excess deaths are heading towards 50k, and that is with a lockdown. Without lockdown than number may well have been many times higher.
 
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