COVID-19 - Western Cape versus Gauteng

phoneJunky

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Oh he said it. I recorded his presentation. Which was pretty messy. A messed up mix of GP stats and national stats.
I viewed it twice to make sure. Now he might have made a mistake and meant to say the national stats testing stats are ....
But why? He is the GP guy. Is he ashamed of his testing stats?
And of course you can't find GPs stats, they don't publish them anywhere sensible, only on twitter.
The point is all we get out of GP is vague inaccurate confused information.
If he said it then he is just wrong. The number for the national count was also not the same as stated by NCID. According to the DA statement on Wednesday Gauteng had conducted 166000ish tests, but they were concerned with the 8 day turn around time for the tests.
 

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Oh he said it. I recorded his presentation. Which was pretty messy. A messed up mix of GP stats and national stats.
I viewed it twice to make sure. Now he might have made a mistake and meant to say the national stats testing stats are ....
But why? He is the GP guy. Is he ashamed of his testing stats?
And of course you can't find GPs stats, they don't publish them anywhere sensible, only on twitter.
The point is all we get out of GP is vague inaccurate confused information.
 

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More on how absolutely disgusting the information is we get fed about GP relating to the Covid pandemic:

In this reference:

The following is claimed by Makura:



Yet, in this reference, the total for the entire country is as follows:




The above is the total for the entire country!

Still believe the BS coming out of GP?????? Anyone?
Does it really matter? Every bit of information about this "deadly" virus has been BS.
 

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True. That's why we have a lockdown.
It isn't actually to keep the already known to be infected at home. They call that self-isolation or home quarantine. No-one has suggested putting (almost) everyone in hospital. However some countries appear to have found that admitting even the apparently only mildly sick to hospital increases the survival rate. On the other hand countries that have a policy of only admitting the already seriously ill, like the UK, have a higher death rate. It is not even an unusual principle in medicine to have patients who appear to be in no danger close to treatment in case something changes rapidly.

There are a few such sites. The point is that using twitter as a place to publish data might well be indicative of the general quality and state of the administration. The one province comes across as organised, the other as shooting from the hip.
 

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The stats are so wrong for GP that my area for about the last week or so, we have actually had more recoveries than cases in the first place. And no it is not more than current active cases, it is more than total cases.

Definitely new phase here, we already recovering before we even get infected. Awesome news, lets go to level 0.
 

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My sister is a Dr in Tygerberg and says the article about the ICU beds being full already is true. This response is from higher up to try and calm everyone down. They are saying they still have beds, just not ICU beds. Tygerberg is also looking to buy 300 more private beds.
Since when do state hospitals buy things off their own volition? And with what money? That last question casts doubt on your entire post...

edit: statement, not question
 
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Since when do state hospitals buy things off their own volition? And with what money? That last question casts doubt on your entire post...
Just said what was in the email my sister got from the higher ups. I don't know how they function.
 

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Western Cape records

COVID-19 Update
New Record Daily Deaths 27!

Day 77 – 20 May 2020
AFTER 54 DAYS OF LOCKDOWN
Positive Cases – 18,003 (New – 803)
Deaths – 339 (New – 27)

The rolling 5 day average trend for South Africa is still moving upwards!

RECORD DAYS
17th MAY – 21,314 TESTS PERFORMED!
17th MAY - 1,160 NEW POSITIVE CASES!
20th MAY - 27 REPORTED DEATHS!

The virus is still out there, do not forget to keep social distance, wear your face mark, wash your hands.

Stay safe & patient in Lockdown!

SFP WEALTH
 

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Update on the coronavirus | 21 May 2020

As of 1pm on 21 May, the Western Cape has 5677 active cases of Covid-19, with a total of 11 810 confirmed cases and 5677 recoveries.

Total confirmed COVID-19 cases 11810
Total recoveries 5677
Total deaths 235
Total active cases (currently infected patients) 5898
Total number of tests 104347

Sub Districts Cape Town Metro:
Western 1238 cases; 665 recoveries
Southern 1276 cases; 482 recoveries
Northern 706 cases; 380 recoveries
Tygerberg 1845 cases; 1022 recoveries
Eastern 1030 cases; 594 recoveries
Klipfontein 1379 cases; 638 recoveries
Mitchells Plain 1158 cases; 564 recoveries
Khayelitsha 1591 cases; 827 recoveries
Total 10223 cases; 5172 recoveries

Sub Districts Non-Metro:
Garden Route Bitou 10 cases; 6 recoveries
Garden Route Knysna 26 cases; 16 recoveries
Garden Route George 31 cases; 19 recoveries
Garden Route Hessequa 8 cases; 7 recoveries
Garden Route Kannaland 1 case; 0 recoveries
Garden Route Mossel Bay 30 cases; 18 recoveries
Garden Route Oudtshoorn 6 cases; 3 recoveries
Cape Winelands Stellenbosch 79 cases; 35 recoveries
Cape Winelands Drakenstein 176 cases; 74 recoveries
Cape Winelands Breede Valley 65 cases; 36 recoveries
Cape Winelands Langeberg 6 cases; 3 recoveries
Cape Winelands Witzenberg 214 cases; 177 recoveries
Overberg Overstrand 22 cases; 16 recoveries
Overberg Cape Agulhas 2 cases; 2 recoveries
Overberg Swellendam 8 cases; 4 recoveries
Overberg Theewaterskloof 21 cases; 7 recoveries
West Coast Bergrivier 17 cases; 5 recoveries
West Coast Cederberg 2 cases; 0 recoveries
West Coast Matzikama 1 case ; 0 recoveries
West Coast Saldanha Bay Municipality 24 cases; 5 recoveries
West Coast Swartland 32 cases; 15 recoveries
Central Karoo Beaufort West 1 case; 0 recoveries

Unallocated: 805 (57 recovered)

Additional data can be accessed on the dashboard at www.westerncape.gov.za/coronavirus

The Western Cape has recorded an additional 24 COVID-19 deaths-bringing the total number of deaths from the virus in the province to 235. We send our condolences to the family and the loved ones of the deceased at this time.

Yesterday, the country was shocked to hear about the death of a two-day old baby who had been born prematurely, as a result of COVID-19 infection. We are saddened by this tragic loss of such a young life and send our deepest sympathies to the family at this time. Western Cape doctors are currently investigating the case, to better understand all the details.

Healthcare system preparedness

The Western Cape Government has been working around the clock to make sure that the healthcare system is prepared at the peak. This includes making available additional immediate care, acute care and critical care capacity in our healthcare system.

1428 additional intermediate care beds will be provided by temporary “field hospitals” in the Western Cape;

This includes the 850 additional beds provided for at the CTICC temporary hospital facility
330 beds at the Brackengate temporary hospital facility
68 beds at the Khayelitsha Thusong Centre
150 beds at the Cape Winelands Sonstraal Hospital
30 additional beds at the Tygerberg Hospital

2162 acute beds will be provided by existing public sector capacity including 658 additional beds through expansion.

We are also looking to make 550 critical care (ICU and High Care) beds available at the peak:
150 beds that already exist in public health facilities
100 additional beds to be added in the public sector (but additional resources are needed for these)
We will purchase 300 beds from the private sector for patients from the public sector

There are still an additional 300 ICU beds in the private sector available when this is considered.

This means that we have a potential total of 850 ICU beds available in the Western Cape.

I would like to make clear therefore that the Western Cape Government's health response planning has taken all of the existing private and public sector ICU or high care beds into account, in an integrated single healthcare system response.

As at close of business on Tuesday, the province had 143 patients in ICU or high care in both the public and private sector.

I must also make clear- while we have sufficient capacity at this time to meet our current critical care needs, as we have indicated before, even in the best-case scenario, we will still fall short of ICU beds.

This is why it is so vitally important that we focus on protecting the most vulnerable. About 90 percent of people who contract COVID-19 will not require hospitalisation, but we have seen from our data that those who are most at risk of becoming seriously ill or dying are the elderly, and those with underlying health conditions.

This is why we will be streamlining our testing and contact tracing to focus on high risk groups such as health workers and vulnerable people. We will also be re-purposing our community screening and testing programme to focus on high risk groups.

We have also provided in excess of 86 000 flu vaccines in the PUBLIC sector thus far, with over 65 000 of these to vulnerable groups and over 25 000 to healthcare workers.

We need the help of every single person. We simply can’t do this alone. You need to keep yourself safe. When you do this, you interrupt the chain of transmission and slow the virus. You can help us save lives by changing your behaviour:

Stay home as much as possible
Always wear a clean cloth mask in public
Always follow the golden rules of good hygiene (a mask alone is not enough)
Keep your distance from people at all times
Avoid gatherings of people
If you are sick, stay home and call the hotline. If you are having difficulty breathing, seek urgent healthcare.

Minister Mbombo hands over masks in Gugulethu:

Today Minister Mbombo handed over masks to the Ikhaya Loxolo Old Age Home in Gugulethu as part of a public-private initiative coordinated by WoW! (Western Cape on Wellness), in partnership with The Health Foundation, Coconut Jazz and other organisations.

Minister Mbombo said: "The purpose of this initiative is to provide free quality masks to children and adults in vulnerable communities in the Western Cape.

Today we handed over masks at Ikhaya Loxolo Old Age Hometo protect elderly who are deemed as vulnerable from getting the virus. I appeal to the corporates and individuals to assist in this initiative by donating masks to enable us to distribute them far and wide”.

Joint statement by the Western Cape and Eastern Cape Provinces on travel protocols:

This morning, a meeting held to discuss solutions to improve management of traveling, transportation of bodies between the Eastern and Western Cape provinces during the covid19 pandemic resolved that four regulatory protocols must be drafted by the two Premiers and submitted to national government for processing and for consideration by the National Command Council.

The virtual meeting, which took place this morning was attended by Premier Lubabalo Mabuyane and myself, Cooperative Governance and Traditional Affairs Minister, Dr Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma, Health Minister, Dr Zweli Mkhize, Police Minister, Bheki Cele, Health MECs, Sindiswa Gomba, Nomafrench Mbombo, Safety and Liaison MECs Weziwe Tikana-Gxothiwe and Albert Fritz and the Police leadership from both provinces.

The meeting follows a discussion during the Presidential Coordinating Council where the two provinces reported that they were in talks trying to find protocols of cooperation.

The protocols being developed by the two provinces will focus on:
☑Joint cooperation on agriculture to specifically manage the movement and employment conditions of seasonal workers between the two provinces.

☑Management of funerals with a focus on restricting movement of bodies of COVID-19 related deaths.

☑Management of general travelling of people between the two provinces given the easing of restrictions and to manage traveling when schools and universities are opened.

We also discussed collaboration between provincial departments of health and the South African Police Services in both provinces to enforce restrictions around transportation of bodies.

The meeting agreed that the situation affecting these two provinces is not unique to the two and needs national government consideration to better manage travel and the transportation of bodies nationally in a manner that helps to contain the transmission of Covid19.

The two provinces have committed to work together to hold joint operations and cooperate to ensure the proper management of travel, to curb emerging criminality and ensure the dignified transportation of bodies for funerals of people who die in the Western Cape to be buried in the Eastern Cape.

Premier Mabuyane said: “I must say that on almost every discussion we had during the meeting, we are agreeing. There is a sufficient consensus around such discussions. Some of these discussions are inter-provincial so they need to be done in the context of national regulations, hence the importance of having Ministers participating in that bilateral."

On the Western Cape's part, we welcome the opportunity to engage with the Eastern Cape on this matter, as travel between our two provinces by seasonal farm workers returning home or to work, and to attend funerals is common. Regulations and protocols must be designed in such a way that they limit the spread of the virus, but still allow people living and working in the Western Cape who need to return to the Eastern Cape to bury loved ones, to grieve appropriately.
 

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Out of interest, is there any portal or site one can use to gauge the transparency of Gauteng's numbers and how they stand in terms of preparedness?
 

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Out of interest, is there any portal or site one can use to gauge the transparency of Gauteng's numbers and how they stand in terms of preparedness?
If only there is. The only place where GP appears to release data is via twitter, which I flatly refuse to use. The last time I looked, the GP health department's website had nothing of any use at all.
The overall picture is difficult to get. The only figures one gets is the daily release by the Health Minister, the NICDs site, and the corona site for SA.
There is nothing similar to what WC is doing for GP.
Last I looked, most other provinces also did not have anything similar to WC.
I have not looked again for about 2 weeks.
 
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By the looks of it there's going to between 19,000 to 25,000 total confirmed cases by 1st June in the WC and government still plan on opening schools in that province.
I don't see Teachers Unions allowing their members back to schools I that province
 

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If only there is. The only place where GP appears to release data is via twitter, which I flatly refuse to use. The last time I looked, the GP health departments website had nothing of any use at all.
The overall picture is difficult to get. The only figures one gets is the daily release by the health minister, the NICDs site, and the corona site for SA.
There is nothing similar to what WC is doing for GP.
Last I looked most other provinces also did not have anything similar to WC.
I have not looked again since about 2 weeks ago.
You know you don't have to actually be a twitter user to look at the tweet right?
 

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By the looks of it there's going to between 19,000 to 25,000 total confirmed cases by 1st June in the WC and government still plan on opening schools in that province.
I don't see Teachers Unions allowing their members back to schools I that province
Heavens to Betsy, it's a catastrophe, how will the world ever move on... Let us all live in our shells for years to come.
 

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Heavens to Betsy, it's a catastrophe, how will the world ever move on... Let us all live in our shells for years to come.
Are you willing to risk your life for government? No matter how small the risk is?
 
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