Sign up with GoogleI really rate Bosman. He never wastes balls and more often then not recently pitches in with at least 30 odd.
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Cricket: South Africa tour to India 2010
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I really rate Bosman. He never wastes balls and more often then not recently pitches in with at least 30 odd.
Convenient of you to totally ignore his innings for the dolphins and to cluster pro 20 innings together with 50 over innings.
Dude does the moaning never stop, loots hit 68 off 43, do you think he got there playing nice cricket shots? One was going to go wrong, he got us off to a flier which is all we ask. It is not up to loots to score a double ton and lead us to victory, he is there to get a quick fire 40-70 runs, we have other batsmen who should carry on his good start but of course next up was kallis who is a run rate destroyer of note.
I would rather have loots scoring a quick 60 than going out for 5, i dunno if i am alone but i think his innings set us up for a big total. Loots you beauty. Give the man some bloody credit!!!!!. Anyone who has anything bad to say about loots innings is just a lamo who does not like him.
Kallis play aggressive? are you mad!!!!!! might mess his stats up.
When my openers get in in 50 over cricket I expect them to go on and get 100's. 60's are fine for 20 over cricket its not good enough for 50 over cricket. Which bosman can't do, the man has no 100 in list a cricket( domestic 40/45 over cricket).
I see a lot of you guys like to kick JP when he is down, facts still stand that he has more 100's in this format than the great bosman.
I have no issue with bosman opening in the 20/20 side but once smith is back he and amla should open for the 50 over side.
How much of bosman have you seen?? Pitch in with at least 30?? Then explain the 17 average for the dolphins this season and that fantastic career average of 28.
People can like bosman for his aggresive nature but the guy has a snowball's chance in hell of being a long term success at international level. He is basicly the less talent version of gibbs.
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I don't get it - if memory serves, those were the last 4 opportunities that he played to for SA recently. Why should he include innings played for the Dolphins when he has been performing reasonably well for SA? Does the domestic league have any bearing on international cricket? It doesn't mean that if one performs well for their domestic team that they will carry it into international cricket, and vice versa. There are all sorts of factors to consider - different types of players, different conditions, different pitches etc.
Great, that would mean that Amla failed you today with his 87. After all every opening batsman who gets over 50 goes on to make a 100. And once again you're bringing domestic cricket into the equation.
Irrelevant when he hasn't contributed with the bat at all this tour, and indeed for the past year. When he is able to play a decent innings for SA again then we won't have an issue with him. And speaking of him being down, funny how he was able to pick himself up when he was shown some $$$.
Amla's good, but I would like someone who can clear the infield and take advantage of the first 10 (or 15) overs. Be it Bosman or whoever else. I'd be happy with Amla at 3 and Kallis at 4, the same as their established test positions.
Again with the domestic cricket argument. Rather stick to watching domestic cricket then, because you seem to dwell on it so much. Let's put things into perspective:
Amla averages 36 in list A and 48 in ODI.
Peterson average 32 in list A and 40 in ODI.
But I guess they suck too because they're not doing as well domestically as they are internationally.
Smith is the man who clears boundaries for SA in the opening overs when he plays. He has shown he can do it and done it countless times for SA and gone on to get hundreds.
On amla and his domestic odi performance. He still has 4 hundreds vs bosman's 0. Also bosman has played 50% more games than hashim then also take into account that almost all of bosman's games where opening while hashim played a lot of his games in the middle order at number 5. He only started opening in odi's in the last two years.
I never rated pietersen so bringing him into this arguement serves no purpose. He has had a decent international start but lets see how he goes over the next year.
But this arguement is pointless you guys like him because he has performed on the few occasions you guys have seen him. I seen quite a bit of his cricket and know he isn't the guy who will have a sustained influence on international cricket.
As for the arguement to have kallis and hashim at number 3 and 4 in odi. That won't work they are too much the same and you need ab in early in odi cricket.
On amla and his domestic odi performance. He still has 4 hundreds vs bosman's 0. Also bosman has played 50% more games than hashim then also take into account that almost all of bosman's games where opening while hashim played a lot of his games in the middle order at number 5. He only started opening in odi's in the last two years.
I never rated pietersen so bringing him into this arguement serves no purpose. He has had a decent international start but lets see how he goes over the next year.
But this arguement is pointless you guys like him because he has performed on the few occasions you guys have seen him. I seen quite a bit of his cricket and know he isn't the guy who will have a sustained influence on international cricket.
As for the arguement to have kallis and hashim at number 3 and 4 in odi. That won't work they are too much the same and you need ab in early in odi cricket.
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Well, when India got the 400 I always had this uneasy feeling because I knew Smith wasn't there. Smith is a really attacking batsmen and I think having him and Amla opening would be good enough. Amla's strike rate isn't that low and if we just look at his two starts versus India I would classify his first start as aggressive and his second as moderate to aggressive. Loots just doesn't give me that confidance, because in a 400+ game we need someone to go big and as stefan9 said, that won't be Loots.
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Stefan,
What is the % of times that openers who go over 50, get to 100?
I guess ODI's must be filled with a lot of useless openers.
+1. Smith > Bosman
I would however take bosman with to the Sub continent and play him there as he bats a lot better on slow pitches.
I would take him as a squad player but not a starting player.
When gibbs comes of he gets a 100 in odi cricket. There's a reason he has the most odi 100's for sa.
Opener are in the best position to get 100's in odi cricket. There's a reason why sachin has gotten all his odi 100's as a opener, he was moved to the opening spot to allow him to get 100's. There is a reason why gibbs has the most sa odi 100's. Why the likes of hayden,gilly,sanath,smith has more 100's then the middle order.
If an opener gets a 100 or an 80 he sets up the side to have wickets in hand and launch for the last 10. If he gets out for 60 he puts the middle order under pressure to consolidate again before they can launch.
With bosman he gives his wicket away in 99.9% of the matches he plays. He doesn't understand the difference between batting in the powerplay and outside it. Like in the last game he had already hit a six that over there was no need to go for another one, its reckless and that sort of thing costs you matches.
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Gibbs just have that unpredictability and he can win the game for you. If he comes right he scores big hundreds like the one in the 438 game. With Loots it is if he goes big he scores 60 odd at a very high runrate. But if you only going to score 60 odd runs then you have to do something else in the team aswell. If he could bowl aswell then he would be in a much better posistion.
Geez when did 60 runs upfront become so bad? here i thought scoring 60 fast runs upfront was great.
I am sure there are other batsmen after the openers who can turn those 60 runs into 368, o wait that happened. I mean your opener does not always need to hit a 100, i would rather have bosman scoring runs than gibbs smashing 100 every 15th innings.
Amla should not get a look in for the t20 squad i don't think but then again maybe give him a bash and let's see. Ya bosman smith and gibbs at 123 is insane pity about number 4 .
I am sure there are other batsmen after the openers who can turn those 60 runs into 368, o wait that happened. I mean your opener does not always need to hit a 100, i would rather have bosman scoring runs than gibbs smashing 100 every 15th innings.
Amla should not get a look in for the t20 squad i don't think but then again maybe give him a bash and let's see
. Ya bosman smith and gibbs at 123 is insane pity about number 4 .
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60 upfront isn't bad, if you get it allot. But if you are going to get 10-20 most of the time, I will rather take the 100 every 15 innings
Bosman is there to give us a good start, yes Amla is a better batsman.
But we need as few guys who can get us off to a good start and get the run-rate up.
Sometimes 30 off 20 balls is better than 50 off 70.
Having 6 Bosmans in your top 6, is bad and having 6 Amla's in your top 6 is also bad.
You need balance.
Unfortunately for Amla, there's enough okes who can bat like him.
Anyhow enough whinging, time for an IPL thread...
But we need as few guys who can get us off to a good start and get the run-rate up.
Sometimes 30 off 20 balls is better than 50 off 70.
Having 6 Bosmans in your top 6, is bad and having 6 Amla's in your top 6 is also bad.
You need balance.
Unfortunately for Amla, there's enough okes who can bat like him.
Anyhow enough whinging, time for an IPL thread...
No no alf unless you can hit 100 or more runs as opener you are rubbish, amla hit 87 he is rubbish, bosman's 68 off 42 is also totally rubbish and not the reason we scored 368 .
I think openers around the world don't understand that not hitting 100 is a failure.
.I think openers around the world don't understand that not hitting 100 is a failure.
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You know that isn't what stefan9 meant. Anyway, we have allot of talent in this country and it is good that we have so many choices, let's see how it goes. And we don't know all the things happening behind the scenes.