Cricket World Cup 2023 in India


This is so sad but I think it speaks to the lack of attention this WC got. I don't know if that is a sponsorship problem, ICC problem or Cricket SA problem.

We should have done something for the boys, they did us proud and this was one of our most successful campaigns.
 
Not the first captain to do that.

Remember Smith went against medical advice in the test vs Australia circa 2008 when he was injured to try and save the match. We still lost yet everyone was calling him "captain courageous".
Totally not the same scenario. Smith got injured during the game and subs aren’t allowed for batting. He can back to bat because had he not come back he would have been given out. Has Bavuma not started the semi, he wouldn’t have been given out and Reeza would have been allowed to bat.
 

This is so sad but I think it speaks to the lack of attention this WC got. I don't know if that is a sponsorship problem, ICC problem or Cricket SA problem.

We should have done something for the boys, they did us proud and this was one of our most successful campaigns.
Nope, they deserve nothing. This is the 3rd time we went out in the semis so they didn’t achieve anything new.

They arguably played better than previous WC but that is because we didn’t expect much from them this time. The 1999 edition was our best WC outing.
 
They arguably played better than previous WC but that is because we didn’t expect much from them this time. The 1999 edition was our best WC outing.

They could have won in 2007. That was a very strong side but for some reason did not click in the tournament.
 
They could have won in 2007. That was a very strong side but for some reason did not click in the tournament.
That was arguably the weakest bowling attack we have ever sent to a WC (probably on par with the 2023 one).
 
They arguably played better than previous WC but that is because we didn’t expect much from them this time. The 1999 edition was our best WC outing.
Don't agree, Klusener bailed us out of a lot of top order collapses. We barely made it into the semis. It's remembered as a strong outing mainly because of how close we came to the finals.

We were far more dominant in this edition and put up a good enough fight in the semis. That's all I wanted, for nobody to say that we choked, but fought and lost to a better team.

Won't get into the Bavuma stuff and what could have been, that can't be changed now. But every single one of the other guys pulled their weight at some stage or the other...
 

This is so sad but I think it speaks to the lack of attention this WC got. I don't know if that is a sponsorship problem, ICC problem or Cricket SA problem.

We should have done something for the boys, they did us proud and this was one of our most successful campaigns.

most successfull ? we got knocked out in semis before
 
Don't agree, Klusener bailed us out of a lot of top order collapses. We barely made it into the semis. It's remembered as a strong outing mainly because of how close we came to the finals.

We were far more dominant in this edition and put up a good enough fight in the semis. That's all I wanted, for nobody to say that we choked, but fought and lost to a better team.

Won't get into the Bavuma stuff and what could have been, that can't be changed now. But every single one of the other guys pulled their weight at some stage or the other...
I think you are right here. Klusener carried us in 99 whereas this year there were standout performances but it was more all round contribution.

We just needed one guy to hold up the collapse... which is what Aus had. Which is why they won.
 
Don't agree, Klusener bailed us out of a lot of top order collapses. We barely made it into the semis. It's remembered as a strong outing mainly because of how close we came to the finals.

We were far more dominant in this edition and put up a good enough fight in the semis. That's all I wanted, for nobody to say that we choked, but fought and lost to a better team.

Won't get into the Bavuma stuff and what could have been, that can't be changed now. But every single one of the other guys pulled their weight at some stage or the other...
I agree with us dominating with the bat in this edition. However, we had a strong showing in 1999 WC too. We destroyed everything in our path except Aus (ironically). This time we were 1 trick ponies who forgot how to bowl outside the power plays.

On Klusner, we didn’t see it as abnormal to be bailed out by Klusner because that is a role he “invented” and we looked forward to him smashing us into victory.
 
all this hate for Themba is just average keyboard warrior BS of people who feel their opinions somehow matter.
going into the tournament he was the best choice as opening partner for QDK as well as best option for Capitain.
he had a bad WC. but that happens. considering where he was at the start of the year and not getting selected for SA20 sides when he was fit. how he turned his year around as well as how well the team did under him. he should stay.

lets look at the positives.
we did not choke.
we were not screwed over by rain. i mean a little in the semi but that was just conditions changing and no rain and a sudden sunny day could have had the same effect on that pitch.
we were not forced to pick a player for a game based on a racial quota that left us a bowler short playing an out of form bowler to meet said quota.
we came home because we got beaten on the day by a better team.
same as India in the final they lost because Aus played better on the day.
People need to remember something about Themba.
an opening batsmen has a job. a role theyn need to play.
an opening bowler has a job. a role they need to play.
if the batsmen plays a shot that was not correct (QDK in the semi) that is brought on by pressure from the bowling side, that is credit to the bowling side as much as it is a blemish on the patience of the batter.
if the opening bowler gets taken to the cleaners because of incorrect length or line that is credit to the batsmen as much as it is a blemish on the bowler.
if the bowler gives the batsmen an unplayable ball that is ONLY credit to the bowler.
now lets break down the ways Themba got out.
go look at how many were a blemish on him and how many were a credit to the bowler. you will find that most of them there are very few balls that were purely a blemish. there were a few (Ned and SL from the top of my head)
 
all this hate for Themba is just average keyboard warrior BS of people who feel their opinions somehow matter.
Just to be clear, if you defend Themba your opinion matters and if you defend him then your opinion doesn’t matter?
 
Just to be clear, if you defend Themba your opinion matters and if you defend him then your opinion doesn’t matter?
no. all of our opnions on him is the same. they do not matter. we dont make the selection choices and none of us ever will.

I defend him berceuse he deserves it. as have a few others here.
but my opinion is as worthless as everyone else's here.
 
no. all of our opnions on him is the same. they do not matter. we dont make the selection choices and none of us ever will.

I defend him berceuse he deserves it. as have a few others here.
but my opinion is as worthless as everyone else's here.
Then why single out those opinions is you believe they are equally worthless?

The thing that seems lost here is that no one is saying he should not have been at the WC. Those of us not defending him are saying he was not in form at the WC and so should not have been selected when he is not 100% fit. As a captain, he should have told whoever told him to play that he doesn’t support that because of (a) Form and (b) Fitness.
 
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