Crisis in Ukraine

Xarog

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Sorry i can never tell in this thread anymore, its largely descended into comedy.
Tends to happen when you selectively decline to respond to certain parts of people's posts.

Edit : In case it isn't clear, I'm referring to you totally ignoring what Nanfeishen said about MSM reports calling what's going on in Ukraine. It just makes it look like you aren't even contesting the point. I'm sure you'll appreciate that this may lead to confusion later on when you will no doubt repeat the claim that it's not a civil war but a Russian invasion.
 
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Xarog

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I know what you mean.
Does it bother you that you engage in sewing circle gossip just because your chosen worldview narrative gets challenged and opposition to it is no longer merely "the fringe"?

Note: You needn't take my comment too seriously, Ghoti's paying for them and I do believe he's looking for any excuse to help a few Ukrainians.
 

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No, I have no doubt that the Russian media portrayed the Junta in the most negative light it could. But the Odessa Massacre speaks for itself, too.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_May_2014_Odessa_clashes#Casualties

And all the events that occurred in Odessa could just as well have been orchestrated by Russian agents/spies with the sole aim of creating an event that would spur on the rest of the conflict. You fail to see this possibility, based on your view of the world that the USA is always at fault, and Russia is never wrong.

The fact that Russia is willing to kill its own people to sway public opinion is also a possibility, given the murky circumstances of the Apartment bombings of 1999.
 

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Does it bother you that you engage in sewing circle gossip just because your chosen worldview narrative gets challenged and opposition to it is no longer merely "the fringe"?

Note: You needn't take my comment too seriously, Ghoti's paying for them and I do believe he's looking for any excuse to help a few Ukrainians.

I wouldn't dream of taking anything you say seriously.
 

Xarog

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And all the events that occurred in Odessa could just as well have been orchestrated by Russian agents/spies with the sole aim of creating an event that would spur on the rest of the conflict. You fail to see this possibility, based on your view of the world that the USA is always at fault, and Russia is never wrong.

The fact that Russia is willing to kill its own people to sway public opinion is also a possibility, given the murky circumstances of the Apartment bombings of 1999.

So how'd the Russians know the Ukrainian nationalists were going to pitch up? I don't fail to see the possibility, I just consider it the least likely alternative. At least there are direct witness accounts for the claims that the nationalists were strangling and beating people as they were escaping the building. You might choose to discount it entirely but the fact of the matter remains that the majority of the people that died were in opposition to the Junta. And it wasn't just people inside the buildings that died but outside, too. How did the Russians orchestrate that, or are you assuming it was just coincedental? And if coincidental, why would it be neccesary for the Russians to rig the event in the first place?

And assuming it was a false flag op by the Russians, I seriously doubt many Eastern Ukrainians would believe anyone who told them that. I mean the whole event was basically Marikana on steroids only it was more like ANC vs. IFP than police vs. protesters. Just imagine a politicised mass killing occurred so shortly after a coup in S.A. Do you think IFP sympathisers would believe that the ANC wasn't the one responsible for killing their people?

I wouldn't dream of taking anything you say seriously.
So I take it that it doesn't bother you, then?
 

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So I take it that it doesn't bother you, then?

Why on earth should I be bothered by what you think? You are more than welcome to have a point of view no matter how wrong it may be. You are entitled to be a member of any sewing circle that will have you as a member. And we have already agreed that I ought not to take anything you say seriously. So I shall not.

I don't lose any sleep when intelligent people engage in debate and challenge something I may have stated. It is the nature of the internet. Or do you have some notion that you can accumulate internet points to help pull chicks? Or guys, if there is some message in your sewing circle reference?
 

Xarog

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Why on earth should I be bothered by what you think? You are more than welcome to have a point of view no matter how wrong it may be. You are entitled to be a member of any sewing circle that will have you as a member.
It just seems that way when your main participation is to comment about the other posters without actually saying anything about the subject at hand itself.

And we have already agreed that I ought not to take anything you say seriously. So I shall not.
No, we agreed that you should not take one comment in particular seriously, and it applied to one post alone. If you choose to interpret it more broadly that is your choice but claiming a meeting of the minds now that you stand corrected would be dishonest.

I don't lose any sleep when intelligent people engage in debate and challenge something I may have stated. It is the nature of the internet. Or do you have some notion that you can accumulate internet points to help pull chicks? Or guys, if there is some message in your sewing circle reference?
Well, if you read up you'll notice that Ghoti kindly offered to donate money to Ukrainian charity for each post I make, so I figured I ought to make them count. I dunno if that counts as the "points" you mention but I'm satisfied by the results nonetheless.
 

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It just seems that way when your main participation is to comment about the other posters without actually saying anything about the subject at hand itself.

It appears that you have an internet users' rule book. I missed the memo saying it was compulsory to use it.

No, we agreed that you should not take one comment in particular seriously, and it applied to one post alone. If you choose to interpret it more broadly that is your choice but claiming a meeting of the minds now that you stand corrected would be dishonest.

Actually, I said I never take anything you say seriously. That would include a singular comment.

Well, if you read up you'll notice that Ghoti kindly offered to donate money to Ukrainian charity for each post I make, so I figured I ought to make them count. I dunno if that counts as the "points" you mention but I'm satisfied by the results nonetheless.

I'm happy that Ukrainian lap dancers come out of this a few bob up.
 

Xarog

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It appears that you have an internet users' rule book. I missed the memo saying it was compulsory to use it.
It was on Page 3.

Actually, I said I never take anything you say seriously. That would include a singular comment.
Yes, but the fact that you choose to not take something else I say seriously is not similarly with my agreement.

I'm happy that Ukrainian lap dancers come out of this a few bob up.
I dunno if Ghoti will like that idea. He didn't seem to like it when AntiGanda suggested the money was going to Ukrainian troops. Or do you expect the civilians to be tipping the lap dancers?
 

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It was on Page 3.

I guess that would have been a TLDR then? :)

I dunno if Ghoti will like that idea. He didn't seem to like it when AntiGanda suggested the money was going to Ukrainian troops. Or do you expect the civilians to be tipping the lap dancers?

I can't speak for him as to whether he likes it or not but I'm fairly sure that lap dancers could be tipped without the money having to even leave South Africa.
 

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This was not part of the agreement. They wanted OSCE monitors, not the US-dominated UN.

Russia has quite enough influence in the UN, they are continually vetoing security council resolutions.
 

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Thanks, proves my point.

In the last 10 years, 3 by the USA and 8 by Russia !!!
It's interesting how you picked the last 10 years and not beyond, because that's when the US was most veto-happy. Selective much!
 

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It's interesting how you picked the last 10 years and not beyond, because that's when the US was most veto-happy. Selective much!

If we go by history you have no right to claim land in this country. Selective much? Funny that for some idiots what's good for the goose is never good for the gander.
 

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It's interesting how you picked the last 10 years and not beyond, because that's when the US was most veto-happy. Selective much!

I should only use the last 5 years, since this is the period during which Putin really went ballistic.

USA 0, Russia 5.
 
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