Crisis in Ukraine

[Xarog]

No I do not think so, it no matters to me unlike with you.

The fact that you get quite emotional when you post suggests that it does actually matter to you.

 

[Xarog]

Like YOU?

You might want to re-read what I said.

I don't have to. I'm not the one claiming definite knowledge as to who the guilty party is.

 

[Albereth]

Lol. If you think you got the better end of this exchange then clearly you're the one who's delusional.

Lol. - you think you can win at internets?

 

[Seriously]

The fact that you get quite emotional when you post suggests that it does actually matter to you.

Emotional? What a laugh. I am laughing my arse off at your one sided attempts to justify the Russian invasion. Your arrogance and attempt to give the impression you know everything about this war is laughable indeed. As I said CONTINUE as it's quite a joke seeing you trying so hard.

 

[Seriously]

Lol. - you think you can win at internets?

Only in his head......

 

[Dave]

So in other words you cannot prove your assertions. Thanks.

Why don't you dial back a bit, stop acting like that idiot AntiGanda posting just Russian propaganda and wait for the official Dutch report which is currently being worked on?

 

[Unhappy438]

Ah, so you both admit you cannot prove the Russians shot down MH-17. Thanks, that's all I ever sought to prove.

[video=youtube;v1PBptSDIh8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1PBptSDIh8[/video]

 

[Unhappy438]

Эдуард Хиль

You will appreciate him Xarog

 

[Xarog]

Lol. - you think you can win at internets?

I dunno, he seemed to admit the validity of my observation to me.

Why don't you dial back a bit, stop acting like that idiot AntiGanda posting just Russian propaganda and wait for the official Dutch report which is currently being worked on?

Because some other people are posting nothing but propaganda from the other side ("our" side) of the river. So I guess I'm just the poor bastard who has to provide some balance. Furthermore, people presuming to know what happened without having proof of the matter is not what I would consider reasonable behaviour. I think that the problems that face the world only stand a chance of being solved if people behave reasonably and give others room to do so as well. Especially since when I first brought up the MH-17 the same posters I'm giving grief to now were the same posters who tried to ridicule me when I first brought up the fact that they don't actually know what happened.

But since you asked me a question, here's one for you : Can you admit that western news also resorts to propaganda and that they regularly censor the words of anyone who is critical of the "official" narrative? Can you otherwise explain why Hollande and Merkel's comments were never published much like Sarkozy's comments defending Russia's annexation of Crimea was never published. I mean really, such controversial views by such prominent members of western society ought to be newsworthy, no?

Emotional? What a laugh. I am laughing my arse off at your one sided attempts to justify the Russian invasion. Your arrogance and attempt to give the impression you know everything about this war is laughable indeed. As I said CONTINUE as it's quite a joke seeing you trying so hard.

Laughing is an emotion you know. Though quite honestly from where I sit the emotional reaction looks far more like outrage.

And I don't claim to know everything about this war, not by half. But I do claim that coverage of this war has been biased from all sides and I think it's reasonable to point out the biases as they exist on "our" side of the pond as narrated by mainstream media. And I have proven on several different occasions just how they twist the news. If you don't like that it's really not my problem. Any "arrogance" about it is inferred.

And finally, Ghoti promised to donate money to Ukrainian charity for every post that I make, and I'll admit I've made a conscious decision to be extra busy since then.

 

[Seriously]

I dunno, he seemed to admit the validity of my observation to me.


Because some other people are posting nothing but propaganda from the other side ("our" side) of the river. So I guess I'm just the poor bastard who has to provide some balance. Furthermore, people presuming to know what happened without having proof of the matter is not what I would consider reasonable behaviour. I think that the problems that face the world only stand a chance of being solved if people behave reasonably and give others room to do so as well. Especially since when I first brought up the MH-17 the same posters I'm giving grief to now were the same posters who tried to ridicule me when I first brought up the fact that they don't actually know what happened.

But since you asked me a question, here's one for you : Can you admit that western news also resorts to propaganda and that they regularly censor the words of anyone who is critical of the "official" narrative? Can you otherwise explain why Hollande and Merkel's comments were never published much like Sarkozy's comments defending Russia's annexation of Crimea was never published. I mean really, such controversial views by such prominent members of western society ought to be newsworthy, no?

Laughing is an emotion you know. Though quite honestly from where I sit the emotional reaction looks far more like outrage.

And I don't claim to know everything about this war, not by half. But I do claim that coverage of this war has been biased from all sides and I think it's reasonable to point out the biases as they exist on "our" side of the pond as narrated by mainstream media. And I have proven on several different occasions just how they twist the news. If you don't like that it's really not my problem. Any "arrogance" about it is inferred.

And finally, Ghoti promised to donate money to Ukrainian charity for every post that I make, and I'll admit I've made a conscious decision to be extra busy since then.

POOR SODS, living in their own dream world believing all the BS they cough up and vomit in this thread.

 

[Xarog]

POOR SODS, living in their own dream world believing all the BS they cough up and vomit in this thread.

Feel free to take a crack at refuting anything I've said. If it's really so fantastical it ought to be easy, no?

Edit: Remember, it's all for a good cause. You want to help the Ukrainian civilians, right?

 

[Seriously]

Feel free to take a crack at refuting anything I've said. If it's really so fantastical it ought to be easy, no?

Edit: Remember, it's all for a good cause. You want to help the Ukrainian civilians, right?

Refuting or deliberating misunderstandings and confusion is one thing but trying to refute brainless biases and outright garbage is another and not worth the effort as you will just spam this thread with more biased pro russian propaganda you google or thumbsuck. Must be some feat to have nothing else to do.

 

[Xarog]

Refuting or deliberating misunderstandings and confusion is one thing but trying to refute brainless biases and outright garbage is another and not worth the effort as you will just spam this thread with more biased pro russian propaganda you google or thumbsuck.

I haven't thumbsucked anything. I'm happy to provide sources for any claims I've made when it comes to actual facts on the ground.

And I really don't seem to have an issue identifying and debunking propaganda; I've done it multiple times so far when it comes to MSM reports and more than once it's come with a tacit or exlicit admission that my evaluation is correct. Likewise, I do not think you'd have any particular difficulty debunking propaganda for what it is if you seriously applied yourself.

 

[Seriously]

Stroking your ..... [-]...[/-]tail

Says it all.

I used to be conceited, but now I'm absolutely perfect.

 

[Xarog]

Says it all.

Google self-deprecating humour. It might help.

 

[Seriously]

Google self-deprecating humour. It might help.

Only with you it's no humor, It's actually for real in your head.

 

[Xarog]

Only with you it's no humor, It's actually for real in your head.

I know, I know, you have no argument so you resort to ad-hominems. But don't worry it's all for a good cause in the end.

 

[Seriously]

I know, I know, you have no argument so you resort to ad-hominems. But don't worry it's all for a good cause in the end.

Facts are facts.The only thing that will ever be a good cause in your case would be if you manage find a real job.

 

[Xarog]

Facts are facts.The only thing that will ever be a good cause in your case would be if you manage find a real job.

So charity going to Ukranians that have suffered because of the conflict is not a "good cause"? Can you clarify please?

 

[Unhappy438]

Russian Soldiers Were In Debaltseve Fighting Against Ukrainian Military, Claims Russian Newspaper

Just days after Ukrainian forces withdrew from the now rebel-held city of Debaltseve, a leading liberal newspaper in Russia claimed Friday that pro-Russian separatists were not just fighting with Russian weapons but also with Russian troops in their ranks. Kommersant, a national newspaper devoted to business and politics, said the troops came in small groups to avoid detection by Ukrainian border guards and were then assigned to various divisions within the rebel forces.

"They arrived in the Donbas not with one division, but in groups of three people," noted the Kommersant article, as it explained how Russian troops were able to join the rebels. "They were assigned to different military units of the DPR [Donetsk People's Republic]."

The report specifically mentions four Russian soldiers who had joined the DPR from the Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade, which corroborates past claims by Ukrainian soldiers that they were fighting against regular Russian soldiers.

"Thus, the fighting is carried out by those who really know how to fight, and after them it is carried out by the local militants," the report says, while also mentioning that Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine were actively recruited by commanders in Russia.

The author of the report, Ilya Barabanov, also said that he spoke with a Russian soldier on the ground in east Ukraine, who claimed that his superiors predicted that Russia would go to war with Ukraine eventually.

The Ukrainian military, which had been in control of Debaltseve during the month-long siege by pro-Russian rebels, were ordered to withdraw by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in the early hours of Wednesday morning. After government troops left, pro-Russian rebel forces began to enter the destroyed town.

It was thought that the end to full-scale fighting in the strategically located city might give fresh hope to the ceasefire that was signed in Minsk on Feb. 12 and went into force on Sunday. However, as fighting in Debaltseve began to scale down, shelling was reported in the port city of Mariupol in the south of Ukraine and in the city of Donetsk, a pro-rebel stronghold.

The conflict has claimed the lives of 5,692 people and left 14,122 wounded as of Wednesday, according to a United Nations report. The true figure is likely to increase as Ukrainian commanders account for the captured and missing troops.

http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-sold...nst-ukrainian-military-claims-russian-1822868