Crisis in Ukraine

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Fsk off with partisans :sick:, this isn't the sabotage of infrastructure but the targeting of civilians with a bomb. Terrorists plain and simple.
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155mm shell lands in Donetsk killing a few people.
Unhappy438 - "Didn do nuffin"

Firecracker goes off in military rally in Kharkiv.
Unhappy438 - "TERRORISTS, UNACCEPTABLE, TARGETTING CIVILIANS"


The hypocrisy is tasty.
 
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Prominent French Journalist Calls For France-Germany-Russia Alliance
With the Ukraine civil war - courtesy of the constant prodding of the US State Department - inching ever closer to an all out military confrontation with Russia, and further escalation in terms of western sanctions on the Kremlin, as well as even more acute countermeasures and retaliation by Russia, increasingly more in Europe are asking themselves the question, if not in those exact words, "if the US said to **** the EU, then why should the EU allign with the US?"

One person doing just that is prominent and controversial French writer and political journalist Eric Zemmour, who on Friday said that France and Germany, following the historical tradition, should work on forming an alliance with Russia.

"NATO is doing its utmost to present Russia as an enemy of the West and thereby justify its existence," Zemmour wrote in Le Figaro Magazine. "Fortunately, France and Germany in due time blocked Ukraine’s accession to NATO, and that’s a positive fact," the journalist said.

"Now when they finally coordinated their positions on establishing relations with Moscow, they should not stop halfway and should move towards forming a tripartite alliance with Russia," he said, recalling numerous efforts in the past by "kings, emperors and presidents" of the three countries to set up such an alliance.

As further cited by Tass, such a bloc "will be the only chance for Europe to get rid of the United States protectorate and become, in the words of General de Gaulle, a ‘Free Europe’."

"An alliance with Russia is absolutely necessary to fight against Islamists in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Mali, Central African Republic, Nigeria, Pakistan and Afghanistan, where these extremists are trying not only to erase all the traces of a Western and Christian presence, but to pave the way for carrying the war into the European territory," Zemmour added.

Sounds crazy? Maybe, but then again just 2 years ago anyone suggesting that a Grexit is inevitable, was branded as a conspiracy theory sociopath and prepped for burning at the Brussels stake. Now, it is all but a done deal.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...urnalist-calls-france-germany-russia-alliance

Paul Craig Roberts: The Cancer Of Financial Repression (And Why You Can't Do Anything About It)
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is extremely meticulous in examining the central problems facing America and the developed economies today. You may not like nor agree with what he says but there is little double as a former high level Treasury official, academic professor and Wall Street Journal editor, that he knows what he is talking about.

FINANCIAL REPRESSION

"It is going on on several fronts conducted by different people for their own agendas, though they all seem to be mutually supporting.

FINANCIALIZATION OF THE ECONOMY by the Big Banks. - "What that means is that they are converting the entirety of the economic surplus to paying interest on debt. They are draining the economy of all vitality! There is nothing left for the expansion of consumer demand, business investment and old age pensions. It expropriates the economic surplus that is created beyond the maintenance of the current living standard into interest on debt."
OFF-SHORING OF MIDDLE CALLS JOBS by Corporations & Wall Street - "What the Corporations and Wall Street have achieved by off-shoring manufacturing jobs and tradable professional job skills such as software engineering & information technology. What they have done by moving these offshore is to recreate the labor market conditions and wage exploitation of the late 19th century."
MANIPULATION OF THE BULLION MARKETS by the Futures Market Bullion Banks - "There is no free market in the futures markets. These are markets that are manipulated."

COLLUSION BETWEEN PARTICIPANTS

"I think there is a lot of collusion. For example the government colluded with the banking system in financial deregulation. For example they repealed Glass-Steagall. They expressed this absurd claim that financial markets are self regulating."

"They turned the financial system into a gambling casino where the bets are covered by the tax payer and central bank."

The cancer which started in the US Financial System has spread globally. The carriers of the cancer has been the International Banks.

WASHINGTON ANSWERS TO WALL STREET

"Some of the Financial Repression is collusion of government serving the financial interests because Wall Street is a huge supplier of political campaign funds which you are highly dependent on to get re-elected. So you answer to the donors. You don't answer to the public interest. It doesn't give you any money."

"You answer to:

Wall Street,
The Military-Security Complex,
The Agri Business like Monsanto,
The extractive Industries (Oil, Timber, Mining)

These are the powerful interest groups that use the government to serve their interests."

THERE ARE NO LONGER COUNTERVAILING POWERS IN WASHINGTON

With the destruction of the manufacturing jobs in America through off-shoring, it has reduced the power of the unions and destroyed the Democrats independent source of campaign funds.

"You now have two parties with the same head and reporting to the same masters. There is no longer any countervailing power"

You no longer have the Democrats supporting workers against the Republicans supporting business. Both parties represent them.

"This is the reason you can't do anything about Financial Repression!"

NEO-CONSERVATIVE CONTROL OF FOREIGN POLICY - $6T TRILLION IN WAR DEBT

We have been in 14 years of wars and added $6T of national debt to finance these wars "without adding five cents of investment for the country having taken place."

"We now have the Neo-Conservatives driving the conflict with Russia (which is insane), with China (which is insane). The United States doesn't have the power to try and dominate Russia / China. Especially now that the two countries have a strategic alliance"

"You have much of the world turning away from the United States because of Washington's

Abuse of the Dollar as the World's Reserve Currency,
Abuse of the dollar based payment system,
Imposing unilateral sanctions which are acts of war,
Threatening people with expulsion from the clearance mechanism and people saying we won't have any part of this,
The BRIICS establishing their own version of the IMF,
The Impact of the Spy Scandals and people saying they will build their own internet,

All of this is not only going to effect business it is going to effect American power. It is going to start shriveling!"

"If you have these crazed Neo-Conservatives demanding control of the world, faced with declining power, you don't know what they will do! It is a very, very dangerous situation. I'm surprised it has taken the world so long to realize the threat the US poses to the rest of the world."

"The US Dollar payment system is essentially a system for looting. This, Globalization and Neo-liberal economics are tools of American economic imperialism. Countries are beginning to realize this. The looting of countries by American imperialism has now reached the point where it is turning on itself - Greece for example."
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...ression-and-why-you-cant-do-anything-about-it
 
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What's interesting to note is that the diplomatic response to Russia is increasingly looking like two completely different strategies from the US/UK and DE/FR groups. I mean Merkel and Hollande basically threatened Poroshenko with sanctions if he steps over the line. This is dramatically different from the noises the UK and US make about needing to arm Kiev instead.
 
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Xarog said:
What's interesting to note is that the diplomatic response to Russia is increasingly looking like two completely different strategies from the US/UK and DE/FR groups. I mean Merkel and Hollande basically threatened Poroshenko with sanctions if he steps over the line. This is dramatically different from the noises the UK and US make about needing to arm Kiev instead.
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Look at who loses and who wins

For the US its win win all the way.
They have Poroshenko in their pocket.
They get to play the "saviour" card by supporting Ukraine, they get a nice arms deal out of it and they get to continue the anti-Russia agenda of economic pressure and political rhetoric, all for very little effort on their part, and absolutely no physical danger to themselves.
The UK fall in with the US and pretty much does the same.

For the EU its a very different, they have a lot of economic ties to Russia, from industry to gas to tourism, they are linked to Russia overland, which is militarily significant, and any conflict in Ukraine that increases in any way, can and will have major negative spillover effects on almost every EU country.
Many countries are already being affected economically by the sanctions imposed upon Russia, not to mention the growing number of Ukrainian citizens flooding in with each passing day, and the EU in general has suffered to the tune of 21 Billion in total.
While at the same time the US and UK have lost next to nothing

the EU has so far lost 21 billion euros ($23.7 billion)
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http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-...u-21-bn-euros-says-spain-2015-2#ixzz3SYunBmih

And the Ukraine itself : , all they got was another oligarch, only this time, one that favours ties with the West instead of for Russia, a civil war, economic hardships, loss of freedoms, military draft, and millions of displaced people, most of whom strangely enough have fled to the very country that is being blamed for its aggresive behaviour towards them.
 
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Nanfeishen said:
Look at who loses and who wins

For the US its win win all the way.
They have Poroshenko in their pocket.
They get to play the "saviour" card by supporting Ukraine, they get a nice arms deal out of it and they get to continue the anti-Russia agenda of economic pressure and political rhetoric, all for very little effort on their part, and absolutely no physical danger to themselves.
The UK fall in with the US and pretty much does the same.

For the EU its a very different, they have a lot of economic ties to Russia, from industry to gas to tourism, they are linked to Russia overland, which is militarily significant, and any conflict in Ukraine that increases in any way, can and will have major negative spillover effects on almost every EU country.
Many countries are already being affected economically by the sanctions imposed upon Russia, not to mention the growing number of Ukrainian citizens flooding in with each passing day, and the EU in general has suffered to the tune of 21 Billion in total.
While at the same time the US and UK have lost next to nothing


http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-...u-21-bn-euros-says-spain-2015-2#ixzz3SYunBmih

And the Ukraine itself : , all they got was another oligarch, only this time, one that favours ties with the West instead of for Russia, a civil war, economic hardships, loss of freedoms, military draft, and millions of displaced people, most of whom strangely enough have fled to the very country that is being blamed for its aggresive behaviour towards them.
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Yup. And over the long term there's no way in hell Ukraine is paying back its IMF loans. The austerity backlash will be severe and it's going to harden attitudes towards the EU with its pro-IMF stance.

When people first suggested that this whole Ukraine affair might see the US lose its influence in Europe I thought it was ridiculous. Now I'm not so sure. And if Greece leaves the Euro then all bets are off.
 
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Prominent French Journalist Calls For France-Germany-Russia Alliance
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For information, I wouldn't call Zemmour a prominent journalist but rather as described on Wikipedia "antiliberal and radical positions" and personally I'd call him one of the most popular voices of the French extreme right.
 
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For information, I wouldn't call Zemmour a prominent journalist but rather as described on Wikipedia "antiliberal and radical positions" and personally I'd call him one of the most popular voices of the French extreme right.
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I'm only copying the headlines used by Zerohedge.

But considering Marine Le Pen is blaming the EU for what's going on in Ukraine it doesn't surprise me.
 
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Yeah, you're forever sourcing LibertariansAreUs.com
We fully understand the problem.
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That's because libertarians have a certain worldview that gives them a natural tendency to correctly identify the current financial system's major weakness. I do not much agree with them philosophically, though. It's actually quite interesting to note how much more commonly radical left and right political groups are forming coalitions to challenge the established political center.
 
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China to credit Ukraine for $3.6 bln to reduce dependence on Russian gas

China is ready to allocate $3.6 bln to Ukraine in order to reduce Ukraine’s dependence on Russian gas. It was announced by Volodymyr Demchyshyn, Minister of Fuel and Energy of Ukraine.

China will credit Ukraine for $3.6 bln to implement a number of projects related to reduction of dependence on Russian natural gas.

“Our delegation has just returned from China, where we had a meeting with the representatives of the Chinese Ministry of Commerce and China Development Bank. The representatives of both organizations confirmed the readiness to open a credit line for our projects.” – said Mr. Demchyshyn.

According to the Minister, the money will be allocated for the modernization of thermal power stations, heating networks and, perhaps, for the construction of coal gasification plant in Odesa.
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http://info-news.eu/china-to-credit...on-russian-gas/#sthash.utRs24wR.a31UFdvi.dpuf
 
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Xarog said:
I'm only copying the headlines used by Zerohedge.

But considering Marine Le Pen is blaming the EU for what's going on in Ukraine it doesn't surprise me.
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That wasn't against you, but just for you to know where he comes from, which make his analysis totally one-sided.
 
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