Crisis in Ukraine

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Oh come now. To suggest that in her unique position not to mention being head of one of the wealthiest families in the world she doesn't have the capacity to wield immense influence in Britain through unofficial channels?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...sh-weapons-sales-in-middle-east-10019816.html <- random example, barely a month old.

It's quite clear that the British royal family is still intimately connected with British governance.
She is the head of state and Colonel of the Grenadier Guards. All soldiers and police officers pledge allegiance to her as well. The crown is on every police officer's uniform in England as well.
 

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Oh come now. To suggest that in her unique position not to mention being head of one of the wealthiest families in the world she doesn't have the capacity to wield immense influence in Britain through unofficial channels?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...sh-weapons-sales-in-middle-east-10019816.html <- random example, barely a month old.

It's quite clear that the British royal family is still intimately connected with British governance.

Xarog, that's immaterial to the fact that TwattyGanda was talking nonsense, the fact the queen is a patron doesn't mean they are not impartial, nor does it mean she has any power to influence or direct their research, they've been independent for 200 years.

She is the head of state and Colonel of the Grenadier Guards. All soldiers and police officers pledge allegiance to her as well. The crown is on every police officer's uniform in England as well.

So what's that got do with your last bout of verbal diarrhoea? Stop trying to change the subject as you do every time you get caught spouting crap. I'm still waiting for the proof that every British soldier has the queens crown on their uniform...
 

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Xarog, that's immaterial to the fact that TwattyGanda was talking nonsense, the fact the queen is a patron doesn't mean they are not impartial, nor does it mean she has any power to influence or direct their research, they've been independent for 200 years.
I'm inclined to agree, but at the same time I'd much rather you prove your point with a good argument than a bad one.
 

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Xarog, that's immaterial to the fact that TwattyGanda was talking nonsense, the fact the queen is a patron doesn't mean they are not impartial, nor does it mean she has any power to influence or direct their research, they've been independent for 200 years.



So what's that got do with your last bout of verbal diarrhoea? Stop trying to change the subject as you do every time you get caught spouting crap. I'm still waiting for the proof that every British soldier has the queens crown on their uniform...


Here's an image to assist you. The crown is also on every button on their dress uniform.
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I'm inclined to agree, but at the same time I'd much rather you prove your point with a good argument than a bad one.
He's confusing the Queen's party political independence with her status as head of state and the royal ranks.
 

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He's confusing the Queen's party political independence with her status as head of state and the royal ranks.
The absurdity of accepting a blog's posts at face value just because a 3rd party vouched for them has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not that 3rd party is nominally overseen by the Queen of England. Your argument is bad.
 

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I'm inclined to agree, but at the same time I'd much rather you prove your point with a good argument than a bad one.

But arguing with a moron like PropaGanda doesn't need a good argument. You don't quote Shakespeare to a dog when it barks at you.

Here's an image to assist you. The crown is also on every button on their dress uniform.
View attachment 199016

Nope, no proof. You might want to check what buttons soldiers wear on their uniform (you did say EVERY British soldier), and not even with moved goalposts, do they even wear it on all dress uniform.

From your own image what crown of the queen do the ranks titled (under the heading) NO INSIGNIA wear, as well as Captain, Lieutenant, Second Lieutenant, Sergeant, Corporal, Lance Corporal. What crown of the queen is worn?
 

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But arguing with a moron like PropaGanda doesn't need a good argument. You don't quote Shakespeare to a dog when it barks at you.



Nope, no proof. You might want to check what buttons soldiers wear on their uniform (you did say EVERY British soldier), and not even with moved goalposts, do they even wear it on all dress uniform.

From your own image what crown of the queen do the ranks titled (under the heading) NO INSIGNIA wear, as well as Captain, Lieutenant, Second Lieutenant, Sergeant, Corporal, Lance Corporal. What crown of the queen is worn?

Now you're nitpicking. Soldiers have a formal wear for parades and the button has the crown. That design is unique BTW. No other queen has the same. Formal police uniform also has the crown button as well as on the badges and rank insignia.
 

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Now you're nitpicking. Soldiers have a formal wear for parades and the button has the crown. That design is unique BTW. No other queen has the same. Formal police uniform also has the crown button as well as on the badges and rank insignia.

No nitpicking, firstly UK police haven't had a formal uniform for years, secondly, again, please show that EVERY British Army uniform includes the queens crown. I'll stop letting you dangle like an idiot and post a few badges, you might notice something missing in them.

Coldstream Guards
View attachment 199170

Guards Buttons on dress uniform
View attachment 199180

Scots Guards
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The PWRR
View attachment 199178

If you weren't so stupid you might realise that the majority of British Army regiments predate the queen, even some of the units that do have a crown sometimes have a kings crown or coronet, many don't have one at all.

You really are an ignorant person so stuck up Putins arse you will argue black is white because you think it might advance your cause.
 
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No nitpicking, firstly UK police haven't had a formal uniform for years, secondly, again, please show that EVERY British Army uniform includes the queens crown. I'll stop letting you dangle like an idiot and post a few badges, you might notice something missing in them.

Coldstream Guards
View attachment 199170

Guards Buttons on dress uniform
View attachment 199180

Scots Guards
View attachment 199174

The PWRR
View attachment 199178

If you weren't so stupid you might realise that the majority of British Army regiments predate the queen, even some of the units that do have a crown sometimes have a kings crown or coronet, many don't have one at all.

You really are an ignorant person so stuck up Putins arse you will argue black is white because you think it might advance your cause.
If you can't actually see the crowns in your own posts then there is no hope. LOL.
As for police, it's on their cap and helmet. It's also on their warrant cards. It's frikken everywhere ...
 

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If you can't actually see the crowns in your own posts then there is no hope. LOL.

Where? I don't see the queens crown anywhere (there is a Prince of Wales coronet in one badge, nothing in the others...).

Care to point them out?

Here's another regimental badge, where's the queens crown?

View attachment 199270


How long do you want to play this game?



As for police, it's on their cap and helmet. It's also on their warrant cards. It's frikken everywhere ...

No one is talking about the police, they aren't British soldiers (which is what you said)...
 
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Unpatriotic' Goldman Dares To Suggest "Buy Russian Bonds"

On the scale of 'unpatriotic' things to suggest, there is only one thing worse than a tax inversion for an American to do... suggest something positive about Russia, Russian markets, or Russia's economy. So it perhaps ultimately ironic that none other than Goldman "doing God's work" Sachs suggests *Russian bonds are both cyclically and structurally under-priced......

We think inflation in Russia will fall to new all-time lows in 2016 of close to 4% and, hence, we do not only expect an 800bps cutting cycle in the next 8 quarters but we also think that the neutral rate in Russia has actually declined rather than risen

http://www.onenewspage.com/n/Market...oldman-Dares-To-Suggest-Buy-Russian-Bonds.htm
 
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but what about SANCTIONS, OIL, RUBLE? So because of SANCTIONS slowing down inflation in Russia Goldman Sachs suggest to BUY RUSSIAN BONDS

First Russia gets a seat on SWIFT when the UK wanted them thrown out now Goldman Sachs one of the biggest investment banks of the land of the free (USA) SUGGESTS TO BUY RUSSIAN BONDS
 
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but what about SANCTIONS, OIL, RUBLE? So because of SANCTIONS slowing down inflation in Russia Goldman Sachs suggest to BUY RUSSIAN BONDS

First Russia gets a seat on SWIFT when the UK wanted them thrown out now Goldman Sachs one of the biggest investment banks of the land of the free (USA) SUGGESTS TO BUY RUSSIAN BONDS
That's the way SWIFT works. They were entitled to a seat.
 

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but what about SANCTIONS, OIL, RUBLE? So because of SANCTIONS slowing down inflation in Russia Goldman Sachs suggest to BUY RUSSIAN BONDS

First Russia gets a seat on SWIFT when the UK wanted them thrown out now Goldman Sachs one of the biggest investment banks of the land of the free (USA) SUGGESTS TO BUY RUSSIAN BONDS

Should be easy to contemplate. They are so low in value there is just one way left to go and thats UP!
 

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Germany’s Angela Merkel Calls on EU to Maintain Sanctions Pressure on Russia

German Chancellor Angela Merkel Monday called on Europe to maintain sanctions pressure on Russia despite a decline in violence in eastern Ukraine, urging Western unity amid Russian efforts to reinvigorate ties with sanctions skeptics such as Italy and Cyprus.

Ms. Merkel, speaking after meeting with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in Berlin, said a full cease-fire still hasn’t been reached and that pro-Russian separatists were continuing to prevent international monitors from having complete access in the regions they control.

To keep the pressure on Russia, she said, European Union heads of state and government meeting in Brussels later this week needed to commit to maintain current sanctions against Russia until Moscow makes good on the steps outlined in peace deals reached in Minsk, Belarus, in September and February.

“The sanctions and the implementation of the Minsk plan must be connected,” Ms. Merkel said. She will urge her counterparts at the Brussels summit, she added, to agree to a “political commitment that sanctions and the implementation of Minsk are closely connected.”

Ms. Merkel’s firm stance comes as Russia appears to be trying to exploit divisions within Europe over how to proceed with sanctions against Moscow as they come up for renewal in coming months, while violence in Ukraine eases.

Russian President Vladimir Putin welcomed Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, whose government has been hesitant to endorse sanctions, at the Kremlin on March 5 and called Italy a “privileged partner.” President Nicos Anastasiades of Cyprus, an EU nation with close ties to Russia, made a two-day visit at the end of February.

On Monday, Ms. Merkel said Germany was also prepared to endorse tougher sanctions against Russia if the situation worsens—for example, in the case of a separatist offensive against the Ukrainian port city of Mariupol.

“We are also prepared, if need be, for new sanctions,” Ms. Merkel said. But, she added, “they are not an end in themselves. We do not want them.”

It is far from clear whether Europe will be able to maintain a united front. Foreign ministers meeting in Brussels Monday signaled differences on whether to extend sanctions until the year-end, suggesting consensus may be difficult to reach at the summit.

The EU has already extended its sanctions against individuals and firms linked to the Russian takeover of Crimea until September. Now several EU governments, including Germany, are pushing to extend the broader, more powerful sanctions against Russia’s defense, energy and banking sectors until the end of 2015.

That would tie the penalties to Moscow’s implementation of the cease-fire agreement reached in Minsk. That deal requires, in part, that Ukraine controls its border with Russia by the end of 2015.

The Minsk deal has resulted in a fragile cease-fire and the pullback of heavy equipment on both sides. But some Western diplomats believe it will only have lasting value if the Russia-Ukraine border is secured so that Russia can’t keep sending arms and weapons to separatists.

They argue that extending sanctions is crucial to ensure Russia follows through on its agreement to give Ukraine control over its border by the end of the year. Speaking alongside Ms. Merkel, the Ukrainian president promised to do his part to carry out the Minsk agreements, insisting there was “no alternative” to that deal.

Fighting in eastern Ukraine has subsided since the Feb. 12 cease-fire. Days after the truce was signed, Kremlin-backed militants seized the transport hub of Debaltseve, but haven’t made any significant further advances.

Both sides say they have moved artillery back in accordance with the deal, although monitors say they have been unable to verify this without full access to the final destinations of convoys.

Ukraine’s government and the militants frequently accuse each other of violations of the truce. Ukrainian officials say the militants are using the lull in fighting to regroup, possibly for an attack on the Azov Sea port of Mariupol, a charge the rebels deny.

Under the terms of the truce, Ukraine’s parliament was supposed to pass a decree by Sunday designating the area held by the militants that will be granted increased autonomy. A draft decree by President Petro Poroshenko was posted on parliament’s website Saturday, and the chamber’s speaker said it would be voted on this week.

A representative of one of the militant groups, Vladislav Deinego, initially welcomed the move, but later said the decree “isn’t viable” as it is based on local elections that didn’t take place in December. Parliamentary Speaker Volodymyr Groysman said the decree demarcated the area where local elections will be held.

Russian officials, meanwhile, have been accusing Kiev of dragging its feet on fulfilling the political elements of the deal, setting new conditions on moves they had promised to take under the Minsk agreement.

Mr. Poroshenko is under pressure from political rivals and a defiant public to not bend too far to the demands of Russia and the rebels it is backing. He said late last week that Ukraine is implementing the Minsk agreement, but at the same time strengthening its armed forces to halt any further attacks.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/eu-ministers-divided-over-extending-sanctions-against-russia-1426504541
 

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RUSSIAN MILITARY BRINGS FORCES TO COMBAT-READINESS IN DRILLS

The Russian military says it has brought some of its forces to the highest stage of combat-readiness as part of sweeping maneuvers in the Arctic and elsewhere in Russia.

President Vladimir Putin issued the order Monday for five days of drills to check the readiness of Russia's Northern Fleet and the military's ability to deploy additional forces from central Russia.

The Defense Ministry said Tuesday that units from the Baltic Fleet, Southern Military District and Airborne Forces had been brought to full combat readiness.

The ministry said about 50 warplanes and helicopters will be redeployed within the next day to northern airfields, while three groups of naval ships have entered the Barents Sea.

The war games come as Russia-West ties are strained over the Ukrainian crisis.


Source : Sapa-AP /mjs
Date : 17 Mar 2015 12:23
 
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