Crisis in Ukraine

[Xarog]

Hryvna is the worst performing currency year to date as well.

 

[AntiGanda]

Hryvna is the worst performing currency year to date as well.

Russia is still selling them gas.

How generous of them.

 

[Unhappy438]

Personally im happy Russia's economy is improving, its coincided with the peace deal, so it will give them incentive to stop with their aggressive land grabbing and rather take a more diplomatic approach. Lets hope it stays like that and they don't go back to their previous ways, it solves nothing.

 

[AntiGanda]

Personally im happy Russia's economy is improving, its coincided with the peace deal, so it will give them incentive to stop with their aggressive land grabbing and rather take a more diplomatic approach. Lets hope it stays like that and they don't go back to their previous ways, it solves nothing.

Russia tends to be reactionary. A fascist regime persecuting ethnic Russians on their doorstep + talking about NATO membership is a provocation.

 

[AntiGanda]

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Published on April 11, 2015

French Intelligence: Russian Intervention in Ukraine is a Myth

Theodorakis


Russian military intervention in Ukraine is a myth, General Christophe Gomart, France’s Military Intelligence Head has said.

As reported by RT, General Gomart made his explosive comments in a parliamentary hearing on the Ukrainian crisis. He questioned NATO’s claims of Russia preparing to attack Ukraine as French agents failed to spot any activities signaling this – either before or after the crisis began.

A statement by the chief of France’s military intelligence, General Christophe Gomart, was published on the National Assembly’s website:

“NATO announced that the Russians were about to invade Ukraine. But, according to French intelligence, there is nothing to corroborate this hypothesis – we determined that the Russians were deploying neither command posts nor logistical facilities, including field hospitals, needed for a military incursion,” General Gomart told a parliamentary hearing.

The real difficulty with NATO is that US intelligence is dominant, while French intelligence is more or less taken into account – hence the importance for us to supply enough information of French origin to NATO commanders.

NATO announced that the Russians would invade Ukraine while according to the information of the DRM, nothing came to support this hypothesis – we had indeed found that the Russians had not deployed command or logistics centers, including field hospitals, to consider a military invasion and the units of second level had made no movement.

Later it turned out that we were right, because even if Russian soldiers were actually seen in Ukraine, it was more of a ploy to put pressure on Ukrainian President Poroshenko than an attempted invasion.”

Meanwhile, on Friday five Northern European states, non-NATO Finland and Sweden included, signed a declaration on the expansion of military cooperation to counter “Russian aggression against Ukraine,” RT reported.

Since Finland and Sweden intend to interact with NATO on a matching contribution basis, which might indicate a desire to join the alliance, Moscow will view this declaration as an act of aggression, Norwegian defense analyst Janne Haaland Matlary warned.

“Finland and Sweden have also decided to keep their exercises to NATO standards, which implies a step on the way toward NATO. Today, there are no political grounds for them to join NATO, public opinion is not frightened enough, and referendums will be required. But what is happening now still looks like a preparation for membership,” Matlary told Aftenposten newspaper on Friday.
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http://offguardian.org/2015/04/11/french-intelligence-russian-intervention-in-ukraine-is-a-myth/
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NATO telling lies - suprise surprise!

 

[Dave]

"
Published on April 11, 2015

As reported by RT

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Would seem so much more reliable if there was any proper news agency reporting the story...

 

[Xarog]

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Would seem so much more reliable if there was any proper news agency reporting the story...

You mean like when everyone forgot to report the comments Sarkozy and Hollande previously said on French national television?

 

[AntiGanda]

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Would seem so much more reliable if there was any proper news agency reporting the story...

Would you prefer it in the orginal French from the National Assembly? yes ...?

Ok!

Whilst reading this, ask yourself WHY media are ignoring what this French general said.

http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/cr-cdef/14-15/c1415049.asp

"M. Frédéric Lefebvre. Quelles sont nos relations avec la base de l’OTAN de Norfolk ?

Général Christophe Gomart. Nous avons d’excellentes relations avec le commandant suprême allié Transformation (SACT) et les notes de renseignement de la DRM alimentent d’ailleurs la réflexion de l’OTAN. En septembre prochain, le général Denis Mercier va succéder au général Jean-Paul Paloméros à ce poste.

La vraie difficulté avec l’OTAN, c’est que le renseignement américain y est prépondérant, tandis que le renseignement français y est plus ou moins pris en compte – d’où l’importance pour nous d’alimenter suffisamment les commanders de l’OTAN en renseignements d’origine française. L’OTAN avait annoncé que les Russes allaient envahir l’Ukraine alors que, selon les renseignements de la DRM, rien ne venait étayer cette hypothèse – nous avions en effet constaté que les Russes n’avaient pas déployé de commandement ni de moyens logistiques, notamment d’hôpitaux de campagne, permettant d’envisager une invasion militaire et les unités de deuxième échelon n’avaient effectué aucun mouvement. La suite a montré que nous avions raison car, si des soldats russes ont effectivement été vus en Ukraine, il s’agissait plus d’une manœuvre destinée à faire pression sur le président ukrainien Porochenko que d’une tentative d’invasion."

TRANSLATION for dave/ghoti:

"Frédéric Lefebvre. What are our relations with NATO base in Norfolk?

General Christophe Gomart. We have excellent relations with the Supreme Allied Commander Transformation (SACT) and intelligence notes DRM also supply NATO reflection. In September, General Denis Mercier will succeed General Jean-Paul Paloméros to this post.

The real difficulty with NATO is that US intelligence is dominant, while the French intelligence is more or less considered - hence the importance for us to supply sufficiently commanders of the NATO French origin information. NATO announced that the Russians would invade Ukraine while according to the information of the DRM, nothing came to support this hypothesis - we had indeed found that the Russians had not deployed command or logistics, including field hospitals, to consider a military invasion and the units of second level had made no movement. Subsequently showed that we were right, because if Russian soldiers were actually seen in Ukraine, it was more of a ploy to put pressure on Ukrainian President Poroshenko as an attempted invasion."

 

[w1z4rd]

TRANSLATION for dave/ghoti:

Wtf you on about? What has this french thing got to do with me?

 

[snoopdoggydog]

Sweden confirms mystery ‘Russian sub’…was in fact a workboat

The unknown foreign vessel the Swedish Navy searched for near Stockholm last autumn was actually a “workboat,” a senior navy official says. Local media had alleged a hunt was on to try and find a Russian submarine, which was believed to be in the area.

Swedish Rear Admiral Anders Grenstad told the Swedish TT news agency on Saturday that what was thought to be a vessel or a foreign submarine was actually just a “workboat"......

http://rt.com/news/249109-sweden-submarine-hunt-workboat/

 

[Dave]

we had indeed found that the Russians had not deployed command or logistics, including field hospitals, to consider a military invasion and the units of second level had made no movement.

So typical RT propaganda, the headline and the substance of what was said are 2 different things.

You posted the story with headline:

Russian military intervention in Ukraine is a myth, General Christophe Gomart, France’s Military Intelligence Head has said.

What he actually said was there is no proof that there has been a military invasion, I don't think I've seen anyone accuse Russia of actually invading Ukraine, there is ample proof of Russian troops and hardware intervening in the war between the UKR army and the dissidents of the rebel areas and assisting the dissidents against the UKR forces.

Clever bit of propaganda twisting the man's words.

 

[Unhappy438]

So typical RT propaganda, the headline and the substance of what was said are 2 different things.

You posted the story with headline:



What he actually said was there is no proof that there has been a military invasion, I don't think I've seen anyone accuse Russia of actually invading Ukraine, there is ample proof of Russian troops and hardware intervening in the war between the UKR army and the dissidents of the rebel areas and assisting the dissidents against the UKR forces.

Clever bit of propaganda twisting the man's words.

The thing is though, Russia has invaded Ukraine, even Putin admitted this.

 

[Albereth]

Sweden confirms mystery ‘Russian sub’…was in fact a workboat

The unknown foreign vessel the Swedish Navy searched for near Stockholm last autumn was actually a “workboat,” a senior navy official says. Local media had alleged a hunt was on to try and find a Russian submarine, which was believed to be in the area.

Swedish Rear Admiral Anders Grenstad told the Swedish TT news agency on Saturday that what was thought to be a vessel or a foreign submarine was actually just a “workboat"......

http://rt.com/news/249109-sweden-submarine-hunt-workboat/

Russian submarines are easy to find - they're either on fire or glow in the dark.

 

[Dave]

The thing is though, Russia has invaded Ukraine, even Putin admitted this.

Not in the conventional sense of the word, a full scale invasion would entail open warfare with logistical back up and air support. They have remained below that threshold IMO, anyone with a brain can see that the Russians are involved in a large scale military intervention at the very least though (of course PropaGanda will try and dispute it though).

 

[Unhappy438]

Not in the conventional sense of the word, a full scale invasion would entail open warfare with logistical back up and air support. They have remained below that threshold IMO, anyone with a brain can see that the Russians are involved in a large scale military intervention at the very least though (of course PropaGanda will try and dispute it though).

Im talking about Crimea not Eastern Ukraine, that was very much an invasion. Eastern Ukraine has been typical Russian Maskirovka.

 

[Dave]

Im talking about Crimea not Eastern Ukraine, that was very much an invasion. Eastern Ukraine has been typical Russian Maskirovka.

Even the Crimea I would struggle to call an invasion (by the definition in the Russian Troll post above).

Thousands of anonymous little green men acting as a militia who became an occupying force after the UKR army retreated from the area rather than use force against them, which would likely have triggered a full scale invasion if they had.

But as usual for RT and PropaGanda, we are arguing semantics and word meanings due to the crap he posts that is twisted from its original meaning.

 

[Unhappy438]

Looks like war is starting up again in Ukraine again , not that it ever entirely stopped.

[video=youtube;cwAL0vKfj8Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwAL0vKfj8Y[/video]

Apparently huge amounts of explosions near Donetsk and Pisky.

 

[AntiGanda]

The thing is though, Russia has invaded Ukraine, even Putin admitted this.

Crimea, yes. Ukraine proper, no.

Again you often make statements that are vague, and confuse the facts.

 

[AntiGanda]

Russian submarines are easy to find - they're either on fire or glow in the dark.

Those are the ones you know about. Remember that Russia is not as open about their military as the US.

Even our cheap local subs are tricky to locate. They reportedly did well in war games with other nations.

 

[Unhappy438]

Crimea, yes. Ukraine proper, no.

Again you often make statements that are vague, and confuse the facts.

Crimea is/was Ukraine, if Russia invaded Crimea then they invaded Ukraine

I took you off ignore in the hope that your posting had improved, i see it hasnt and you still cant get the basics right, you're also still trolling some others here.

Back you go then ....