Crisis in Ukraine

[Unhappy438]

I don't speak Russian. Do you?

/tinfoil hat
Interesting if he says yes considering sign up date.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

So you basically want the west to do what Putin wants. Engage him in combat?

The argument is that Putin knows that is not going to happen, and took the opportunity when it presented itself. Comparisons with Hitler's annexation if Austria is just dramatics

 

[OrbitalDawn]

After May 9, it will be punishable by 5 years in Russian prison to talk about ‘Ukrainian Crimea’

 

[Garson007]

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/alaska-back-russia/SFG1ppfN

 

[DreamKing]

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/alaska-back-russia/SFG1ppfN

 

[Taranis]

I don't speak Russian. Do you?

Here is a translation (incomplete).


PROKHANOV: It is strange that Jewish organizations – European and Russian – support Maidan. They do that? They do not realize that they are, with their own hands, closer to the second Holocaust?

HOST EVELYN ZAKAMSKAYA: They also advanced the first [Holocaust].

PROKHANOV: It’s dreadful, it is astonishing blindness — which, apparently, is repeated, because until 1933 in Europe many liberal organizations were feeding Hitler.

HOST EVELYN ZAKAMSKAYA: Yes.


So clearly she (the host) did not use those words that you have repeated in the headline. Her guest is the editor-in-chief of Russia's most important extremely right wing newspaper "Завтра" (Zavtra).

We can argue all day about what she meant by "advanced". It certainly does not mean "Jews brought the holocaust upon themselves". Most likely she meant that Jews aren't doing enough to fight the neo-Nazis and ant-semites in Ukraine. cf. Appeasement of Hitler in WW2.

 

[Taranis]

Really? They found these guys?

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldn...ficers-20140323,0,2130469.story#axzz2wzl64WqZ

"believed held by Russians"

The headline says it all. My guess is that they are in discussions over their role in the Russian forces, afraid to go home - or are being debriefed.

There is also the possibility that some dark element has them in order to settle a score.

Until you can confirm or discount any of these, you can't just assume the Russians have him/killed him.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Here is a translation (incomplete).


PROKHANOV: It is strange that Jewish organizations – European and Russian – support Maidan. They do that? They do not realize that they are, with their own hands, closer to the second Holocaust?

HOST EVELYN ZAKAMSKAYA: They also advanced the first [Holocaust].

PROKHANOV: It’s dreadful, it is astonishing blindness — which, apparently, is repeated, because until 1933 in Europe many liberal organizations were feeding Hitler.

HOST EVELYN ZAKAMSKAYA: Yes.


So clearly she (the host) did not use those words that you have repeated in the headline. Her guest is the editor-in-chief of Russia's most important extremely right wing newspaper "Завтра" (Zavtra).

We can argue all day about what she meant by "advanced". It certainly does not mean "Jews brought the holocaust upon themselves". Most likely she meant that Jews aren't doing enough to fight the neo-Nazis and ant-semites in Ukraine. cf. Appeasement of Hitler in WW2.

What else do you think 'advanced' would mean? I don't see how that can be seen in any other light than victim-blaming.

 

[Garson007]

I don't see how that can be seen in any other light than victim-blaming.

So you've already toned down then? Victim blaming is not the same as accusation for causing.

 

[Taranis]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraines-ex-pm-tymoshenko-take-arms-kill-russians-1441651

Ukraine's Ex-PM Tymoshenko: Take up Arms and Kill the Russians

[video=youtube;oEFCmJ-VGhA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEFCmJ-VGhA[/video]

Tymoshenko confirmed that the conversation took place on Twitter from her verified account. But she pointed out that the end of the leaked recording, when she threatens to use atomic weapons against eight million Russians living in Ukraine, has been edited and manipulated

 

[zippy]

The argument is that Putin knows that is not going to happen, and took the opportunity when it presented itself. Comparisons with Hitler's annexation if Austria is just dramatics

The West didn't need a military confrontation to deal with Soviets either. And the Soviets basically picked from where Hitler left off. Occupying Eastern European countries. The cold war was basically an extreme form of sanctions which ended up doing the job: Complete collapse of the Soviet Union. Russians have only become wealthy because the cold war ended. Now its starting up again.

The situation is a lot different now. At the end of WWII, most Russians had only known conflict and poverty. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union they have had about 20 years of the taste of the good life. Now that it is going to start slipping away, they may not support Putin for as long as the old Soviet Union was able to persist. Every European country is going to prioritise getting their oil and gas from someplace other than Russia. No country can experience growth if it is isolated. Even Russia. And right now, there isn't a single significant economy which is singing Russia's praises. The Chinese themselves are keeping very quiet. They don't want to be seen supporting the West, but they know this cant be good for their case in Tibet, Taiwan and the disputed islands in the Indian Ocean. How can they support the Crimea referendum, and yet still ignore the wishes of Tibetans and Taiwanese ?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

So you've already toned down then? Victim blaming is not the same as accusation for causing.

Me? I merely posted the article.

And it's very similar, if not identical in end result.

 

[Polymathic]

. The Chinese themselves are keeping very quiet. They don't want to be seen supporting the West, but they know this cant be good for their case in Tibet, Taiwan and the disputed islands in the Indian Ocean. How can they support the Crimea referendum, and yet still ignore the wishes of Tibetans and Taiwanese ?

Russia is doing it with Chechnya and Dagestan

 

[DreamKing]

The West didn't need a military confrontation to deal with Soviets either. And the Soviets basically picked from where Hitler left off. Occupying Eastern European countries. The cold war was basically an extreme form of sanctions which ended up doing the job: Complete collapse of the Soviet Union. Russians have only become wealthy because the cold war ended. Now its starting up again.

The situation is a lot different now. At the end of WWII, most Russians had only known conflict and poverty. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union they have had about 20 years of the taste of the good life. Now that it is going to start slipping away, they may not support Putin for as long as the old Soviet Union was able to persist. Every European country is going to prioritise getting their oil and gas from someplace other than Russia. No country can experience growth if it is isolated. Even Russia. And right now, there isn't a single significant economy which is singing Russia's praises.

He (Obama) also warned of the possibility of further sanctions against Russia if it encroached further into Ukraine.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26746106

I think you are too simple .....
EU and US, they are already accepted the fact and will not do anything IF russia will not do anything "further".
understand?

The Chinese themselves are keeping very quiet. They don't want to be seen supporting the West, but they know this cant be good for their case in Tibet, Taiwan and the disputed islands in the Indian Ocean. How can they support the Crimea referendum, and yet still ignore the wishes of Tibetans and Taiwanese ?

what?

 

[Unhappy438]

Lots of reports currently circulating about an increase of military movement in Russia along Ukraine's eastern border.

http://kkirill1509.livejournal.com/158481.html

 

[LazyLion]

RUSSIA BUILDING UP TROOPS ON UKRAINE BORDER: US

Russia has moved more troops closer to Ukraine's borders in recent days despite assurances it will not invade, US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Wednesday.

Although Russia's defense minister Sergei Shoigu had told Hagel last week that Moscow would not send troops into eastern Ukraine, "the reality is that they continue to build up their forces," Hagel said.

"So they need to make sure they stay committed to what Minister Shoigu told me," the Pentagon chief said at a joint news conference after meeting his British counterpart, Philip Hammond.

And in another worrying sign, the British minister said it was unclear whether the Russian defense minister carries real influence over decision-making in Moscow, given President Vladimir Putin's dominant role.

"All the evidence suggests that the Russian agenda is being very much run by President Putin personally," Hammond said.

"And other Russian players, including Minister Shoigu, may express views, but it's a moot point, and we cannot know, we do not know to what extent all of those people are really inside the inner circle in which President Putin is planning this exercise," Hammond said.

There are now more than 20,000 Russian troops, including airborne units, fighter aircraft and armored vehicles, deployed near the Ukrainian border, providing ample firepower to seize the eastern region if Moscow chose to, according to US defense officials.

Hammond said diplomatic and economic sanctions against Russia over its intervention in Ukraine's Crimean peninsula were designed to isolate Moscow over its "aggression" while discouraging any further incursions.

"We've set out our positions partly as a response to what has already happened, but also with a focus on the practical need to deter any further aggression," he said.

Amid concerns among NATO states in Eastern Europe over Russia's actions in Ukraine, Hammond vowed that the alliance was fully committed to defend the sovereignty of its members.

"And I have no doubt -- I don't think any member of NATO has any doubt -- that all 28 members are prepared to come to the security interests, if that's what's required, to defend the integrity and sovereignty of those member countries," he said.

Asked about Ukraine's request to Washington for weapons and other lethal and non-lethal assistance, Hagel said the US administration had approved sending military rations to Kiev while other items were still under review.

"The president's national security team is reviewing all of the other requests for assistance, particularly the non-lethal assistance to Ukraine," Hagel said.

The crisis in Ukraine had given fresh meaning to the importance of the NATO alliance, the US and British defense chiefs said, and underscored the need to keep up defense spending despite budget pressures.

"We both recognize that defense budgets come down as wars come to an end," Hagel said.

"But we also recognize that there is a certain level of investment that any country must continue to make to protect its citizens and honor its security commitments."


Source : Sapa-AFP /aw
Date : 26 Mar 2014 20:07

 

[Garson007]

Still waiting for this invasion.

 

[Unhappy438]

Still waiting for this invasion.

What are you talking about now

 

[DreamKing]

What are you talking about now

he wants to tell you that the so called "invasion" will never happen.

 

[DreamKing]

I don't think russia will do anything except to overthrow the current ukraine government like the west did.

watch out.