Crisis in Ukraine

[Fulcrum29]

Which US strike groups are near which borders ?

Uhm, how many CSG's are deployed worldwide and what is the capable strike range?

I don't need to answer the question. I'm very much a neutral person depending on matters.

 

[Flip-Flop]

Rather interesting how the USA dictates what another world power may do within their own borders when US have strike groups deployed on near every border. This would be better should a body like the UN stated their opinion on the matter. Perhaps Russia is deploying troops to prevent a possible Ukrainian motive… who really knows.

Under the current condition, both the Ukrainians and Russians will be on alert.

I think you are forgetting who the first aggressor was here. Russia is the one who decided to do a land grab, not Ukraine or America. I think the Russians have made their motives and agenda pretty clear.

 

[zippy]

be honest, US and russia both can't be trusted.

PS: how much do you think US will charge? more expensive / cheaper than russia?

I guess more expensive.
you?

I have no idea. The US isn't a charity.

The US has a better relationship the European countries, than the Russians. If anything EU countries could probably negotiate a discount in exchange for supporting the US more in the UN against the Russians

As a matter of fact, there is current round of trade negotiations going on between the EU and the US, so the gas deals will be part of this. If anything EU is going to score with better access to US markets and the US will get better access to EU markets. In the meantime the Russians get isolated. Chinese investments in the US and EU increase in value, so they wont really mind either. What does Russia offer the world other than oil and gas ? Besides invasion.

This whole business is only going to strengthen both NATO and US/EU economic relationships. NATO has now has new purpose.

Since the end of the cold war, European countries had started looking more to Russia as a partner because of the obvious proximity. Putin has now managed to once again give the EU and the US a reason to work more closely together. And to start putting more money back into NATO. Russia's influence is now going to be less not more.

EDIT; I never implied the US can be trusted. You cant trust any govt. Even your own.

 

[zippy]

Uhm, how many CSG's are deployed worldwide and what is the capable strike range?

I don't need to answer the question. I'm very much a neutral person depending on matters.

Not trying argue with you. Just thought since you stated this with conviction that you might have some references to back it up. I take your lack of an answer as an answer in itself

 

[Fulcrum29]

I think you are forgetting who the first aggressor was here. Russia is the one who decided to do a land grab, not Ukraine or America. I think the Russians have made their motives and agenda pretty clear.

I know very well what is going on. You also did not read that I said it would had been better should such a statement (or opinion since it based on the next step) as to what should be going on within your own borders be made by a collective or collaborative entity such as the UN.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Not trying argue with you. Just thought since you stated this with conviction that you might have some references to back it up. I take your lack of an answer as an answer in itself

This is to me like saying to someone else to move back so that I can have more room to manoeuvre closer to you.

 

[kolaval]

At least one good thing came to light, Natalia Poklonskaya

 

[Nanfeishen]

be honest, US and russia both can't be trusted.

PS: how much do you think US will charge? more expensive / cheaper than russia?

I guess more expensive.
you?

One of the first things the IMF demanded the Ukraine do was to raise domestic gas prices by 40% if they were going to do business with them. This was one thing the previous government didnt want to do.
Hey presto the new government has just decided to shaft the average consumer in the Ukraine in a bid to kiss the IMF's backside.

Ukraine to hike domestic gas prices by 50 percent to meet IMF demands

Ukraine's new leaders, in a step the ousted government had balked at, said on Wednesday it would raise the price of gas for domestic consumers by more than 50 per cent from May 1 and would raise prices further under a fixed timetable to 2018.
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There will be a timetable of tariffs until 2018. For the population, the rise will be more than 50 per cent from May 1. For utilities it will be a rise of 40 percent from July 1," Yuri Kolbushkin, a senior Naftogaz official, told journalists.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/26/us-ukraine-crisis-gas-idUSBREA2P1EY20140326

Welcome to the West

 

[lucifir]

One of the first things the IMF demanded the Ukraine do was to raise domestic gas prices by 40% if they were going to do business with them. This was one thing the previous government didnt want to do.
Hey presto the new government has just decided to shaft the average consumer in the Ukraine in a bid to kiss the IMF's backside.

Ukraine to hike domestic gas prices by 50 percent to meet IMF demands


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/26/us-ukraine-crisis-gas-idUSBREA2P1EY20140326

Welcome to the West

And the plot thickens !!
what does the gas price have to do with the IMF??
Is it just their way of making sure that Ukraine pays their debts??

 

[snoopdoggydog]

Austerity, the change you bled for, Ukrainians. Welcome to the Europe you love so much

 

[zippy]

Austerity, the change you bled for, Ukrainians. Welcome to the Europe you love so much

running up massive debt is so much more fun

 

[Unhappy438]

Is it just their way of making sure that Ukraine pays their debts??

Pretty much, its to facilitate the collection of debt servicing obligations. They are doing that by raising gas prices, so Nanfeishen has that one a little backwards.

 

[lucifir]

Pretty much, its to facilitate the collection of debt servicing obligations. They are doing that by raising gas prices, so Nanfeishen has that one a little backwards.

Ok, makes sense, not everyone can just print their way out of debt like the US

 

[DreamKing]

And the plot thickens !!
what does the gas price have to do with the IMF??
Is it just their way of making sure that Ukraine pays their debts??

the reality is, you will pay more if you don't use russia's gas. (full stop)

 

[snoopdoggydog]

running up massive debt is so much more fun

more Obama logic

 

[Hamish McPanji]

And the plot thickens !!
what does the gas price have to do with the IMF??
Is it just their way of making sure that Ukraine pays their debts??

That's nothing, they force african countries to increase maize prices even when a large percentage of the population is starving because they cannot afford the current prices.

 

[zippy]

more Obama logic

Except that Congress decides the debt, not the President. Small detail.

 

[Taranis]

One of the first things the IMF demanded the Ukraine do was to raise domestic gas prices by 40% if they were going to do business with them. This was one thing the previous government didnt want to do.
Hey presto the new government has just decided to shaft the average consumer in the Ukraine in a bid to kiss the IMF's backside.

Ukraine to hike domestic gas prices by 50 percent to meet IMF demands


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/26/us-ukraine-crisis-gas-idUSBREA2P1EY20140326

Welcome to the West

You probably know that in the East, most buildings have central heating powered by gas. The tradition for decades has been to keep the prices very low, which conflicts with capitalist ideology. I believe poor Ukranians had it good for a long time, and now they are going to fork out more for all services.

 

[zippy]

You probably know that in the East, most buildings have central heating powered by gas. The tradition for decades has been to keep the prices very low, which conflicts with capitalist ideology. I believe poor Ukranians had it good for a long time, and now they are going to fork out more for all services.

Most buildings in the UK have central heating powered by gas. This is actually common throughout most of Europe, west and east.

 

[Unhappy438]

That's nothing, they force african countries to increase maize prices even when a large percentage of the population is starving because they cannot afford the current prices.

Only if you use the term "force" loosely, their has to be contracts, terms and assurances in order to minimize risks when loaning billions of dollars.