Crisis in Ukraine

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ghoti said:
Really, quote them please. I wanna see what you definition of hysterical is, so I know how much to value your judgement.
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I'm not taking part in this thread Ghoti or value what you think but here's an example of your own hysteria from the same page

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RUSSIA SEIZES CONTROL OF ANOTHER UKRAINE BASE IN CRIMEA

Russian troops on Monday seized control of a new Ukrainian military base in Crimea, throwing stun grenades and tying up the hands of Ukrainian marines, the Ukrainian defence ministry said.

The Russian troops stormed the naval base in Feodosia in western Crimea in the early hours of the morning, using armoured personnel carriers and stun grenades, the spokesman of the Ukrainian defence ministry for Crimea, Vladislav Seleznyov, wrote on his Facebook page.

He said that three Russian vehicles were then seen leaving the base carrying Ukrainian marines whose hands had been tied up. Russia last week incorporated Crimea into its territory, in defiance of international anger.

Source : Sapa-AFP /avb
Date : 24 Mar 2014 08:20
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ghoti said:
Lets hope they dont start mass executing Ukrainian soldiers like they executed Polish soldiers in WW2 :/ There are already reports of Ukranian soldiers going missing :(
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http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...in-Ukraine?p=12337580&viewfull=1#post12337580
 
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zippy said:
Putin isn't left wing. He is more of a right wing facist. Thats why he got on so well with George Bush.
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Yes, so Alan thinks Putin is happy because the new NATO chief is a leftie wimp and won't want to nuke Russia.
 
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zippy said:
Putin isn't left wing. He is more of a right wing facist. Thats why he got on so well with George Bush.
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"It's like arguing with an eighth grader with his facts wrong"

Bush on dealing with Putin.

Strange idea of getting on well you have. I suppose we get on well too because it feels the same way dealing with you.
 
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KERRY URGES RUSSIA TO PULL BACK FORCES FROM UKRAINE BORDERS

US Secretary of State John Kerry on Sunday called for Russia to pull back its forces from the borders of Ukraine, and said that any talks on the country's future must include Kiev's leaders.

"We will not accept a path forward where the legitimate govern of Ukraine is not at the table. This principle is clear. No decisions about Ukraine without Ukraine," Kerry told reporters after almost four hours of talks in Paris with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

He added "any real progress in Ukraine must include a pullback of the very large russian force that is currently massing along Ukraine's borders."


Source : Sapa-AFP /ge
Date : 31 Mar 2014 00:15
 
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Garyvdh said:
KERRY URGES RUSSIA TO PULL BACK FORCES FROM UKRAINE BORDERS

US Secretary of State John Kerry on Sunday called for Russia to pull back its forces from the borders of Ukraine, and said that any talks on the country's future must include Kiev's leaders.

"We will not accept a path forward where the legitimate govern of Ukraine is not at the table. This principle is clear. No decisions about Ukraine without Ukraine," Kerry told reporters after almost four hours of talks in Paris with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

He added "any real progress in Ukraine must include a pullback of the very large russian force that is currently massing along Ukraine's borders."


Source : Sapa-AFP /ge
Date : 31 Mar 2014 00:15
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We read about this "massing of forces" daily, yet the OSCE is overflying the border region and they have not reported any. The propaganda machine is in full operation.
 
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Tun@ said:
I'm not taking part in this thread Ghoti
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Except to take bitchy little dishonest snipes when it suites you, and then to run away when you are called out on it.

or value what you think but here's an example of your own hysteria from the same page
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Except thats just you misunderstanding the discussion. I wasnt responding to Gary... I was talking about the missing officers...

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldn...ia-military-officers-20140323,0,2130469.story

If I respond to someone, I quote them. So any more false claims you wanna bring up?
 
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ghoti said:
My own hyseteria? :wtf:

1) I did not write those articles. Ascribing them to me is dishonest. Also, reporting on news is now hysterical? This bits you bolded from the article were factual. Not sure what your plik is, but its bizarre.
2) They are not hysterical. You are just being dishonest.

Double dishonest from you :sick: Technically its triple dishonesty from you if you include your statement that "90%" of the posts are hysterical.
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Speaking of honesty. I find some people who have familes that fled Soviet regions, such as Poland, Romanian, Bulgaria etc are very biased about anything Russian. Probably family stories over the years colour their view. This was very noticeable with former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright (Czech born 1937). She also had a gripe with the Serbs resulting in a very severe attack on the whole country.

Tell us honestly where your family originates. I think we'll find they are fromt he USSR region or close by.
 
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Taranis said:
Speaking of honesty. I find some people who have familes that fled Soviet regions, such as Poland, Romanian, Bulgaria etc are very biased about anything Russian. Probably family stories over the years colour their view. This was very noticeable with former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright (Czech born 1937). She also had a gripe with the Serbs resulting in a very severe attack on the whole country.

Tell us honestly where your family originates. I think we'll find they are fromt he USSR region or close by.
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Norway, France and Britain. Despite your comment, I have no family that are anywhere near the USSR. I do have very close Russian and Lithuanian friends. Your theory is wrong. I do understand that people who were invaded by Russia in the past, would be upset about the current invasion, as it would bring up old memories, but you are barking up the wrong tree if you think this is personal for me.
 
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Unhappy438 said:
Thanks for adding the picture, i was beginning to doubt the source before that :rolleyes:.
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lol :D And just FYI, its not the Russian point of view. Its the Russian government point of view. Big difference. RT is directly controlled by the Kremlin.

Even though Fox News is a piece of **** lying media house like Russia Today, you cant accuse them of being a government shrill. If anything, they are more Anti-Obama and Pro-Putin than Russia Today.
 
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The hype Media cant even get there numbers straight, :erm:

Mar 27 - 100 000 Russians
http://www.defensenews.com/article/...raine-Says-100-000-Russian-Troops-Near-Border

Mar 28 - 50 000 or maybe 40 000
http://time.com/41490/russia-ukraine-crimea-putin/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/28/us-ukraine-crisis-usa-military-idUSBREA2R1U720140328

And then there is this:

Tour of Ukraine-Russia Border Finds No Signs of Military Buildup

We went to look for ourselves. Cameraman Dmitry Solovyov, sound engineer Alexei Gordienko and I packed our bags, devices and news-gathering gadgets into the back of our grey, nondescript bureau minivan and began a journey along the 1,200 mile border between Russia and Ukraine – many segments of which give no indication that it’s an actual border between two countries.

Sudzha, a small town in the region of Kursk, site of the biggest tank battle of World War II, was our first destination. A tank column had been spotted there, 5 miles from the border, about a week before. But as we drove around the quaint town – equally proud of its freshly painted Orthodox Church and its bronze statue of Vladimir Lenin – we saw no tanks, or even armored personnel carriers. We did see ATM machines on almost every block. All was quiet. There was no tension in the air. Outside town, farmers were planting winter wheat.

We traveled some 500 miles along the border – sometimes right next to Ukraine, at other times 30 to 40 miles from it – before we came across any sign of military activity. As we passed Belgorod’s army base, near the airport, I recognized the same MI-24 choppers I’d seen on the Internet. We got lucky – a pair took off as we drove past. We turned back to see them banking within the base’s perimeter. Nearby, clusters of military vehicles, mostly heavy trucks, were out in the open, but where were the tanks and artillery?

We found more army bases -- in Kamensk-Shakhtinsky and Rostov, both near Ukraine’s southeastern border -- but the only activity we saw was some serious latrine duty and a band of conscripts enjoying a friendly wrestling match.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/uk...border-finds-no-signs-military-buildup-n67336
 
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Nanfeishen said:
The hype Media cant even get there numbers straight, :erm:
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Actually, if you read the articles properly you will see its not the media who cant agree on the Russian numbers across the border, its the Ukrainians and Americans. To be expected though, incredibly difficult to accurately judge.

Nanfeishen said:
And then there is this:

Tour of Ukraine-Russia Border Finds No Signs of Military Buildup
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Not that they would be stationed out in the open, right on the roads for all and sundry to see.
 
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New Vice video

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