Crisis in Ukraine

zippy

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What seems to skew opionion of fighter aircraft is that NATO or the US/UK never admits their fighters were shot down. It's always a "crash" isn't it.

I wouldn't know. Even if those where shot down. The numbers still massively favour the American equipment. Btw, If they where where shot down, then I'm sure the Iragi's would have paraded evidence. They where quick to point out the American Army was facing massive defeat, even as American tanks where rolling down the street a few blocks away. Since they didn't, and neither did RT, well....
 

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Hopefully this is a breakthrough in negotiations, although i see the 1st of April is the date for troop rotation.

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/691678

The only thing we know is what the media tells us, then we an abundance in sources reporting near every breaking story according to their pov.

The Ukrainians are very interesting as their politicians and military representatives always state two sides to a possible outcome, the good and the bad, seems that they are not that positive under the current conditions, which is understandable since the neighbour is knocking knowing that they are home.
 

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The only thing we know is what the media tells us, then we an abundance in sources reporting near every breaking story according to their pov.

The Ukrainians are very interesting as their politicians and military representatives always state two sides to a possible outcome, the good and the bad, seems that they are not that positive under the current conditions, which is understandable since the neighbour is knocking knowing that they are home.

Yeah i think its probably good news though, even if its just troop rotation you would think they would want to hold onto the trained conscripts if they were planning an invasion.
 

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Yeah i think its probably good news though, even if its just troop rotation you would think they would want to hold onto the trained conscripts if they were planning an invasion.

Apparently when you call up so many, there is a limited number of days/weeks they can sit around and twiddle their thumbs. You either send them over the border or send them home. Or else they start shooting up your own countryside out of boredom.
 

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Yeah i think its probably good news though, even if its just troop rotation you would think they would want to hold onto the trained conscripts if they were planning an invasion.

Even though this may be a rotation, it is very strange withdrawing troops rather than relieving them at their designated deployment zones as it will lower readiness levels so this may very well be an actual troop withdrawal. There is no doubt that these movements are being monitored by other world powers. The question then, how many troops are Russia withdrawing on the border? Let’s see how this pan out...
 

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Apparently when you call up so many, there is a limited number of days/weeks they can sit around and twiddle their thumbs. You either send them over the border or send them home. Or else they start shooting up your own countryside out of boredom.

They would have been training and performing manoeuvres so not much thumb twiddling i wouldn't think.

Even though this may be a rotation, it is very strange withdrawing troops rather than relieving them at their designated deployment zones as it will lower readiness levels so this may very well be an actual troop withdrawal. There is no doubt that these movements are being monitored by other world powers. The question then, how many troops are Russia withdrawing on the border? Let’s see how this pan out...

It would largely rest around which troops are being withdrawn, if its just the conscripts and the elite divisions stay then readiness levels can be brought up rather quickly. The conscripts will only supply a supporting role in the case of an invasion. You are correct otherwise, we will have to wait a couple weeks before having a better idea about what Russia is doing here.
 

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I wouldn't know. Even if those where shot down. The numbers still massively favour the American equipment. Btw, If they where where shot down, then I'm sure the Iragi's would have paraded evidence. They where quick to point out the American Army was facing massive defeat, even as American tanks where rolling down the street a few blocks away. Since they didn't, and neither did RT, well....
American tanks didn't fare very well in Iraq either. The US got there first to remove aircraft and other debris. Others crashed into the sea, but hardly an admission that they were shot down. Same in Serbia.
 

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Apparently when you call up so many, there is a limited number of days/weeks they can sit around and twiddle their thumbs. You either send them over the border or send them home. Or else they start shooting up your own countryside out of boredom.
Russian troops are well disciplined. They don't go raping and pillaging.

There was no plan to invade Ukraine, so let's not over-reach.
 

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Russian troops are well disciplined. They don't go raping and pillaging.

There was no plan to invade Ukraine, so let's not over-reach.

Yes because you're Putin's military adviser so you know exactly what the plan is.
 

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GAZPROM HIKES UKRAINE GAS EXPORT PRICE BY OVER A THIRD

Russian energy giant Gazprom on Tuesday announced it was hiking the price of gas exports to Ukraine by more than a third, after a a Western-leaning government took over the country after the fall of the previous pro-Kremlin regime.

Ukraine will now pay a price of $385.5 dollars per 1,000 cubic metres of gas, Gazprom chief executive Alexei Miller said in a statement, raising the price from $268.5 per 1,000 cubic metres previously.


Source : Sapa-AFP /aw
Date : 01 Apr 2014 08:54
 

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CRIMEA SPURS GERMAN RETHINK ON ENERGY POLICY
by Mathilde RICHTER

Current tensions with Russia over Ukraine have turned the spotlight on Germany's heavy dependence on Russian gas and are pushing Europe's biggest economy to reconsider its entire energy policy.

It is currently Germany's aim to be able to meet as much as 80 percent of its energy needs from renewable sources such as wind and solar power by 2050.

The country is also committed to phasing out nuclear power completely over the next decade or so.

And gas -- 35 percent of which Germany imports from Russia -- should act as a good stop-gap until the country's renewable capacity is fully in place.

But with the crisis over Ukraine and the threat of a tit-for-tat battle of sanctions, Germany may have to reconsider its energy policy.

Some, like the environmentalist Greens party, insist the country should step up its renewable drive while others insist that alternative sources of gas must be found.

Last week, Chancellor Angela Merkel said the Ukraine crisis would lead to "a new look at energy policy as a whole."

Some people have interpreted this seemingly anodyne remark as a hidden call to reconsider Germany's plans and targets for the energy transformation, formulated by Merkel herself three years ago.

Others suggest that the remarks -- made in the presence of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper -- could herald an about-face on the highly controversial technology of fracking.

At a joint news conference, Harper said that Canada was prepared to export its natural gas.

But that could prove problematic in a country where there is deep popular -- and political -- opposition to hydraulic fracturing for shale oil and gas.

"If the chancellor is eyeing imports from North America, that would constitute a clear 'yes' to the use of fracking," said one of Merkel's former ministers, the conservative Peter Ramsauer.

And "that, in turn, would beg the question, why not tap our own domestic resources," he said.

With parliament yet to give its green light to the general use of fracking, the technology's advocates, above all industry, never tire in pointing to the comparatively high cost of energy in Europe.

That, they argue, is due to the fact that fracking is not currently allowed. And they hope that the current debate over Germany's dependence on Russia gas will advance their cause.

But Economy and Energy Minister Sigmar Gabriel and Environment Minister Barbara Hendricks, both centre-left Social Democrats, have firmly shut the door on such a prospect.

"In no case do we want fracking," Hendricks said last week, while Gabriel suggested there was "no sensible alternative" to Russian gas.

The issue is sufficiently important to be on the agenda of an energy summit on Tuesday evening between Merkel, Gabriel and the heads of Germany's 16 regional states.

Berlin is counting on a deep reform of its system of subsidies for clean energy, currently the cornerstone of the country's energy transition.

A corresponding draft law, one of Merkel's key projects during her third term in office, is to be approved by cabinet on April 9. But the draft has come under heavy scrutiny on the part of the regional states who take issue with subsidy cuts.

"We mustn't expect all differences to be ironed out" on Tuesday, said Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert.

Gabriel wants substantial reductions in subsidies for renewables, so as to bring down consumers' electricity bills.


Source : Sapa-AFP /gm
Date : 01 Apr 2014 05:37
 

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RUSSIA ENDS UKRAINE GAS DISCOUNT AHEAD OF NATO MEETING

Russian gas giant Gazprom on Tuesday announced it was ending a gas discount enjoyed by Kiev in a major blow for the Ukrainian economy, as NATO foreign ministers prepared to forge a response to Russia's intervention in Crimea.

Ukraine on Monday reported a partial withdrawal of Russian troops from its eastern border amid growing signs that the Kremlin is ready to defuse the worst East-West standoff since the Cold War.

But tensions still remained high and Russia appeared to resort to the familiar tactic of using Gazprom to put pressure on the troubled Ukrainian economy.

The crisis is at a critical juncture as Ukrainian politicians jockey for position ahead of May 25 presidential elections and tentative diplomacy gets under way between Moscow and the West to find common ground after the fall of president Viktor Yanukovych.

Ukraine will now pay $385.5 dollars per 1,000 cubic metres of gas from the previous cut rate of $268.5, Gazprom chief executive Alexei Miller said.

"The discount will no longer apply," he said in a statement. "This is due to the inability of the Ukrainian side to pay for debts from 2013 and realise full payments for current deliveries."

The discount had been agreed between Yanukovych and President Vladimir Putin in December 2013 as a form of financial aid to the former regime.

The price hike -- although widely expected -- is a new blow to the Ukrainian economy which needs an international rescue to stave off the risk of default.

With the situation still volatile in Kiev, a member of the radical Ukrainian nationalist group Pravy Sektor opened fire in central Kiev late Monday.

Three people, including the deputy leader of the capital's administration, Bogdan Dubass, were wounded, the interior ministry said.

Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said the gunman was apprehended two hours after the incident.

But meeting a key demand posed by both the West and Russia, Ukraine's parliament Tuesday voted to disarm all self-defence groups that had sprung up across the country during its political crisis.

"The Ukrainian people are demanding order," acting president Oleksandr Turchynov said. "Those who carry arms -- besides the police, the security services and the national guard -- are saboteurs who are working against the country."

NATO foreign ministers will gather in Brussels on Tuesday as the defence alliance seeks to reinforce its eastern frontier after Russia's takeover of Crimea and amid concerns about its emboldened foreign policy.

In a regular two-day meeting of the 28 ministers, including US Secretary of State John Kerry, NATO will confirm the suspension of cooperation with Moscow, a decision made on March 5 after Russian troops grabbed Crimea from Ukraine.

"Reassuring allies is most important for NATO," said Douglas Lute, the US ambassador to the Brussels-based Western alliance, in a pre-meeting briefing.

NATO has not ruled out the possibility of placing permanent military bases in the Baltic countries -- breaking a promise made to Russia in the 1990s that it would keep permanent troops out of new member countries that border Russia.

"We cannot do business as usual with Russia," Lute said.

"It is clear that Russia has not played by the rules, has not been consistent with our partnership... so we can review our own rules."

Over the weekend, General Philip Breedlove, NATO's supreme allied commander, was sent back to Europe early amid what the Pentagon called Russia's "lack of transparency" over the Ukraine crisis.

Ukraine and the United States have accused Russia of massing thousands of troops near the border and have expressed concern that Moscow intends to seize southeastern parts of Ukraine with large populations of ethnic Russians following the Crimea takeover.

But German Chancellor Angela Merkel's office said Putin had personally informed her of the troop pullback in a telephone conversation on Monday, while her Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier called the move "a small sign that the situation is becoming less tense".

The apparent easing of Moscow's position was offset by an unannounced visit to Crimea by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev -- the most senior Russian official to visit the Black Sea peninsula since it voted on March 16 to come under Kremlin rule.

Ukraine's foreign ministry denounced Medvedev's visit as a "grave violation" of international law.

Ukraine's defence ministry said the start of the Russian drawdown appeared to coincide with a phone call that Putin had unexpectedly placed to US President Barack Obama on Friday evening.

Russia's defence ministry confirmed on Monday it had relocated one battalion -- usually made up of about 500 soldiers -- that had been stationed near Ukraine back to its permanent base, but reported no other troop movements.

Russia wants Ukraine be turned into a federation in which the regions enjoy broader autonomy from Kiev and have the right to declare Russian as a second official language -- a line that Putin pressed during his call to Merkel.


Source : Sapa-AFP /kd
Date : 01 Apr 2014 11:05
 
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