Crisis in Ukraine

[DreamKing]

Crimea actually

that's good, then no one can revoke your visa (russia). (you don't need one actually.)

 

[Unhappy438]

Ukraine crisis: No sign of Russian troop pullout - Nato

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26830336#TWEET1087559

 

[Fulcrum29]

Ukraine crisis: No sign of Russian troop pullout - Nato

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26830336#TWEET1087559

In other reports, Russia only withdrawn ~20 000 troops, leaving ~40 000 within the border zones and with ~25 000 on the ready near inland should they need to bolster in regard with contingency.

What is interesting now is that Kiev is stating Russian troop pull backs and that NATO stated the situation as unchanged.

In other news:

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html

Kiev (AFP) - Ukraine's parliament on Tuesday approved a series of joint military exercises with NATO countries that would put US troops in direct proximity to Russian forces in the annexed Crimea peninsula.

Then on a more serious note, NATO may possibly place permanent military basis in the Baltic countries, breaking Russia/NATO agreements that they entered in the 1990’s, keeping NATO troops in countries bordering with Russia. Tensions may implode soon, only hoping that it may not involve any military actions.

 

[zippy]

In other reports, Russia only withdrawn ~20 000 troops, leaving ~40 000 within the border zones and with ~25 000 on the ready near inland should they need to bolster in regard with contingency.

What is interesting now is that Kiev is stating Russian troop pull backs and that NATO stated the situation as unchanged.

In other news:

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html



Then on a more serious note, NATO may possibly place permanent military basis in the Baltic countries, breaking Russia/NATO agreements that they entered in the 1990’s, keeping NATO troops in countries bordering with Russia. Tensions may implode soon, only hoping that it may not involve any military actions.

Well, Russia broke all agreements regarding Crimea.

Are any agreements with the Russians worth the paper they where written on ?

 

[Fulcrum29]

Well, Russia broke all agreements regarding Crimea.

Are any agreements with the Russians worth the paper they where written on ?

Why don't you answer your own question, why not include NATO nations?

 

[Hamish McPanji]

An interesting read : http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)

Especially the section ideology.

This is a party that forms part of the Ukrainian government....strange bedfellows for the EU and NATO


Especially the section ideology.

Some highlights :

In December 2012, the*European Parliament*expressed concern regarding Svoboda's growing support, recalling "that racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic views go against theEU's fundamental values and principles," and appealed "to pro-democratic parties in theVerkhovna Rada*not to associate with, endorse or form coalitions with" Svoboda

Referencing a similar resolution made by the*NATO Parliamentary Assembly, Tyahnybok claimed it to be a result of a mud-slinging campaign by political opponents

Statements by Jewish organizations

Thirty members of the*Israeli*Knesset*condemned the party in a signed letter addressed to the President of the European Parliament. In the letter the Israeli politicians accused Svoboda of "openly glorifying Nazi murder" and "Nazi war criminals".[161]*In May 2013 theWorld Jewish Congress*labelled the party as "neo-Nazi" and called for European governments to ban them.[162]

 

[OrbitalDawn]

An interesting read : http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)

Especially the section ideology.

This is a party that forms part of the Ukrainian government....strange bedfellows for the EU and NATO


Especially the section ideology.

Some highlights :

In December 2012, the*European Parliament*expressed concern regarding Svoboda's growing support, recalling "that racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic views go against theEU's fundamental values and principles," and appealed "to pro-democratic parties in theVerkhovna Rada*not to associate with, endorse or form coalitions with" Svoboda

Referencing a similar resolution made by the*NATO Parliamentary Assembly, Tyahnybok claimed it to be a result of a mud-slinging campaign by political opponents

Statements by Jewish organizations

Thirty members of the*Israeli*Knesset*condemned the party in a signed letter addressed to the President of the European Parliament. In the letter the Israeli politicians accused Svoboda of "openly glorifying Nazi murder" and "Nazi war criminals".[161]*In May 2013 theWorld Jewish Congress*labelled the party as "neo-Nazi" and called for European governments to ban them.[162]

They have 8% of the seats in Parliament. Hardly fair to call them the EU and NATO's bedfellows. They don't make policy and they don't represent the whole Ukraine.

Interestingly enough, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is the 2nd biggest party in Russia, occupying 20% of the seats in their legislature.

 

[Taranis]

In other reports, Russia only withdrawn ~20 000 troops, leaving ~40 000 within the border zones and with ~25 000 on the ready near inland should they need to bolster in regard with contingency.

What is interesting now is that Kiev is stating Russian troop pull backs and that NATO stated the situation as unchanged.

In other news:

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html



Then on a more serious note, NATO may possibly place permanent military basis in the Baltic countries, breaking Russia/NATO agreements that they entered in the 1990’s, keeping NATO troops in countries bordering with Russia. Tensions may implode soon, only hoping that it may not involve any military actions.

They already broke that agreement, which is why Russia is acting this way.

 

[Unhappy438]

In other news:

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html

If i remember correctly, this was organised and agreed upon back in June last year.

 

[Fulcrum29]

They already broke that agreement, which is why Russia is acting this way.

Except me making a horrible spelling error, which Russia neighbouring countries are housing permanent NATO bases?

Poland and Romania only now made themselves available to assist NATO with this matter, including the possibility to establish permanent NATO bases.

NATO also made it clear not to protect Ukraine due to them not being a NATO member, it is also not yet clear should the Ukrainians had agreed to approved NATO exercises in its territory, NATO only stated more support to eastern European countries.

 

[DreamKing]

If i remember correctly, this was organised and agreed upon back in June last year.

I also remember NATO promised they would not extend to east, especially ukraine.

 

[Unhappy438]

I also remember NATO promised they would not extend to east, especially ukraine.

They havent? Ukraine isnt part of NATO

 

[Fulcrum29]

If i remember correctly, this was organised and agreed upon back in June last year.

http://www.france24.com/en/20140331-russia-gradually-withdrawing-troops-ukraine-border/

I'm only quoting a relevant part.

NATO could break promise to Russia

On Tuesday, Kerry will join other NATO foreign ministers in Brussels where the alliance will confirm the suspension of cooperation with Moscow. The West views the annexation of Crimea as "illegal and illegitimate".

NATO has not ruled out the possibility of placing permanent military bases in the Baltic countries. This would break a promise made to Russia in the 1990s that NATO would keep permanent troops out of new member countries that border Russia.

"It is clear that Russia has not played by the rules, has not been consistent with our partnership... so we can review our own rules," Douglas Lute, the US ambassador to NATO, said on Monday.

A $1-billion-plus US aid package to Ukraine, which also imposes sanctions on Russia, is expected to clear Congress on Tuesday and be signed off by US President Barack Obama.

Also as with other related articles.

 

[Unhappy438]

http://www.france24.com/en/20140331-russia-gradually-withdrawing-troops-ukraine-border/

I'm only quoting a relevant part.



Also as with other related articles.

Ok i was specifically referring to the training exercises, i think those were planned last year, in other words they aren't a direct result of Russia's aggression.

 

[DreamKing]

They havent? Ukraine isnt part of NATO

yes, currently, but they want to.

 

[Unhappy438]

yes, currently, but they want to.

Ukraine wanting to join NATO obviously isnt the same as NATO trying to extend west (i dont think they actually do want to btw). As things stand, i dont see any signs that Ukraine will join NATO.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Ok i was specifically referring to the training exercises, i think those were planned last year, in other words they aren't a direct result of Russia's aggression.

Yep, I understand. I am neutral on this matter as I do not generalise and condemn civilisations, actions on the other hand should be analysed and corrected to a certain extend. What really bother me is that we have in actual 5 parties here which is Russia, Crimea, Ukraine, NATO and the USA, it seems to me that every party is each on their own tone even though USA is with NATO. The media statements made by each country representatives don't line up with each other...

 

[DreamKing]

Ukraine wanting to join NATO obviously isnt the same as NATO trying to extend west (i dont think they actually do want to btw). As things stand, i dont see any signs that Ukraine will join NATO.

can you remain me what is the reason why the protestors were on Kiev’s Independence Square?
what they were doing there?

 

[Unhappy438]

can you remain me what is the reason why the protestors were on Kiev’s Independence Square?
what they were doing there?

Asking Ukraine to join the EU , oh wait dont tell me you think they're the same thing?

Yep, I understand. I am neutral on this matter as I do not generalise and condemn civilisations, actions on the other hand should be analysed and corrected to a certain extend. What really bother me is that we have in actual 5 parties here which is Russia, Crimea, Ukraine, NATO and the USA, it seems to me that every party is each on their own tone even though USA is with NATO. The media statements made by each country representatives don't line up with each other...

Yeah, ive also noticed that, its inevitable that they will each have their own ideas and agendas though.

 

[DreamKing]

Asking Ukraine to join the EU , oh wait dont tell me you think they're the same thing?

No, not at all.

But after joined EU that is higher possibility to join nato. (yes/no?)