CS Lewis - Skeptic

[mancombseepgood]

http://www.greatcom.org/resources/skeptics_who_demanded_a_verdict/chap02/default.htm

Interesting read...

 

[w1z4rd]

Please be sure to read this link about the author:

http://users.iems.northwestern.edu/~hazen/McDowellRebuttal.html

Josh McDowell's book Evidence That Demands a Verdict has been variously described as an authoritative defense of Christianity and a masterpiece of Christian apologetics, which provides scholarly, intelligent, well-grounded answers to questions about the Christian faith. In the summer of 1999, my brother, a fundamentalist Christian, invited me to engage in an email discussion of the historical reliability of the New Testament, specifically focusing on McDowell's defense of NT historicity. As a result, I began a six-month investigation of McDowell's Chapter 4, entitled "The reliability of the Bible".

By checking McDowell's sources and consulting works of NT scholars, I was eventually able to discover that much of what McDowell presents is untrustworthy, misleading or simply incorrect. In the ensuing six months, my brother and I engaged in detailed email discussions in which we debated the McDowell's evidence. I give below a transcript of our discussions. My hope is that the detailed evidence presented here will give both Christians and non-Christians ammunition to help expose and rebut the distortions and falsehoods being promulgated by McDowell and other like-minded fundamentalists.

I read the page. Its normal propaganda. Takes a couple of swipes at atheism and other religions such as hinduism

 

[mancombseepgood]

No different to your propoganda w1zard

always taking a swipe at christianity...
I generally don't waste time entertaining people who have personal issues with others.

 

[w1z4rd]

always taking a swipe at christianity...

No, just bull

 

[mancombseepgood]

Your opinion no doubt.

No, just bull

As with everything, it's subject to your belief.

 

[|tera|]

Keep spreading the Good News PiesangTee


Keep well bro

 

[w1z4rd]

As with everything, it's subject to your belief.

Call it what you want, I call it the correct information so that people can make their own correct choices. That book is false and misleading. The author is deceptive. End of story.

 

[mancombseepgood]

Cos you said so? I don't think I would base my faith or worldview on your opinion. But you know that... at least he is willing to be counted for what he writes. It's easy to anonymously shoot down everyone else's opinions.

 

[w1z4rd]

Cos you said so? I don't think I would base my faith or worldview on your opinion. But you know that.

I honestly dont care to be honest. Believe what you want. However when you start making your beliefs/opinions/thoughts public like you did in this post expect people to check up on what you have posted and/or say. I gave my opinion on it (which apparently you dont respect... you see, it works both ways. I have to tolerate you posting your "info", and you have tolerate me countering it) and pointed people in the direction of an academic link on the author and his "claims".

I have given people a link, you have given people a link, now let the people make up their own minds now that they have a bigger picture.

 

[Random717]

thanks w1z4rd keep spreading the good news!

 

[Nick333]

thanks w1z4rd keep spreading the good news!

 

[Mr TB]

Skeptic Letter

Please be sure to read this link about the author:

http://users.iems.northwestern.edu/~hazen/McDowellRebuttal.html



I read the page. Its normal propaganda. Takes a couple of swipes at atheism and other religions such as hinduism

The person proving Josh McDowell wrong also claim Paul does not refer to christ ‘s life on earth enough in his letters., which place a question mark on the 4 written gospels.
The person is so confident that he don’t realise why Paul actually wrote the letters to the churches if you don’t mind me calling it that way…

Paul is writing to a church, a group of people that have accepted christ as savior, the gospel, they would have been told about christ’s life on earth already do you agree?
Paul will be an idiot writing that in his letters will he not?
Therefore Paul rather concentrate on the problems the church experience or the questions they may have…

The skeptic , in his attempt to discredit McDowell actuallydiscredited hinself as am honest skeptic….

 

[mancombseepgood]

Interesting... I am trying to figure why a guy like Paul who vehemently opposed the church of Christ to the point of having people killed would suddenly become one Christ's greatest preachers without believing in what he was doing...
Since he wasn't a personal friend of Christ's (he was converted later), it stands to reason that he wasn't much interested in him at the time prior to his conversion other than to harass his followers... he wouldn't have much to write about Christ's life on earth since he never followed him like his disciples.

 

[mancombseepgood]

Not so

I honestly dont care to be honest. Believe what you want. However when you start making your beliefs/opinions/thoughts public like you did in this post expect people to check up on what you have posted and/or say. I gave my opinion on it (which apparently you dont respect... you see, it works both ways. I have to tolerate you posting your "info", and you have tolerate me countering it) and pointed people in the direction of an academic link on the author and his "claims".

I have given people a link, you have given people a link, now let the people make up their own minds now that they have a bigger picture.

The difference is that you don't post much as "your opinion"... although it is just your opinion... you seem to think that everyone should accept what you post as fact:

That book is false and misleading. The author is deceptive. End of story.

No, just bull

I read the page. Its normal propaganda.

Now surely you have to agree with me there?

 

[qewrty]

Unfortunately many atheists feel that staying quite - letting others rant on about the super-natural, creates the perception that it is OK to believe in things that are simply not true.

C.S. Lewis might have an interesting story about his theistic world view but that doesn't proof anything and shouldn't really matter anyway.

For those with some international documentary access, checkout The Question Of God - A PBS documentary which reflects on Lewis's theistic and Freud's atheistic stance.

Truth is the amount of intellectual theists are dwindling; the original argument being rather weak and all.

 

[Mr TB]

Please note I have not read McDowell's book. I may not even agree with his points of view. However be carefull in the approach of Paul's letters. He had a personal encounter with christ, then he went into I think Arabia for is 14yrs where he was taught by the holy spirit before he started evangelising the heathen if my memory serves me correctly... Paul knew , i believe, even more about christ than his dearest disciples...

 

[Neo]

Please note I have not read McDowell's book...

dodo, you've convinced us long ago you don't read anything, not even the bible, so somehow were not surprised.....

 

[Xarog]

dodo, you've convinced us long ago you don't read anything, not even the bible, so somehow were not surprised.....

Let's drop the pointless sniping, shall we?

 

[Neo]

Let's drop the pointless sniping, shall we?

No let's not. I have not commented on this author as I've not read his book myself and will only comment once I've done so.

Unfortunately, there are people posting here, on subjects they've got no clue about and, even when asked to do so, refuse to actually read anything related.

In other threads dodo clearly demonstrated he's not even read the bible, getting caught out a few times denying the existence of certain events in the bible, until one of the atheists (shock, horror) had to point it out.

Debating will always have a strong personal believe component for all participants, but at least they should try and support their views with some kind of factual backup. In this dodo fails miserably and all he achieves is to derail any logical discussion. It's gone past the point of being humerous....

 

[Xarog]

No let's not. I have not commented on this author as I've not read his book myself and will only comment once I've done so.

Yeah so? Douwdouw also didn't comment on the author.

Unfortunately, there are people posting here, on subjects they've got no clue about and, even when asked to do so, refuse to actually read anything related.

And this is your excuse? If you've got issues with douwdouw's behaviour, keep it to the f#cking thread where the behaviour was actually manifest.

In other threads dodo clearly demonstrated he's not even read the bible, getting caught out a few times denying the existence of certain events in the bible, until one of the atheists (shock, horror) had to point it out.

And this is an excuse to start insulting him? Please.

Debating will always have a strong personal believe component for all participants, but at least they should try and support their views with some kind of factual backup. In this dodo fails miserably and all he achieves is to derail any logical discussion. It's gone past the point of being humerous....

That's rich, considering the nonsense this last post contained.