Current best new cars under R130 000?

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stephannel77 said:
Haha my bad. Ill see if I can ring up the Suzuki salesman that sold us the swift at that time. Maybe he was a chop and fed us wrong info. But any-case the Suzukis are very well built and talking out of experience very reliable. Swift had no problems since 2008 and SX4 from 2012. They just a bit on the expensive side on maintenance, service parts etc.
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Yeah Bull**** sales man.

But you can't go wrong with a properly Japanese car either from Honda or Suzuki or Daihatsu or Toyota and Subaru.

They just don't make bad cars.
 
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astroboi89 said:
Lol thanx. It doesnt look as good as the mazda 2.i am confused now
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Well, The Mazda2 pushes the R175k mark, not so? You won't even be able to spec an Up! to that level. I will say though that the VW looks quite fetching in the metal. It cuts a rather unique shape; in white it looks like it should be sold exclusively from iStores. :D Wait, I don't like Apple...
 
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HapticSimian said:
Well, The Mazda2 pushes the R175k mark, not so? You won't even be able to spec an Up! to that level. I will say though that the VW looks quite fetching in the metal. It cuts a rather unique shape; in white it looks like it should be sold exclusively from iStores. :D Wait, I don't like Apple...
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Lol I dont like apple either. Thanx for the link to the article.i am pretty chuffed about the new models heading to SA
 
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Ivan Leon said:
Nearly ALL of the sub-R120,000 to R 150,000 cars available in South Africa ARE sourced from India.

This INCLUDES the Suzuki Swift - which gets a much lower NCAP safety rating, compared to its European version (made in Hungary).


Euro-spec (Made in Hungary) Suzuki Swift:

http://www.euroncap.com/results/suzuki/swift.aspx

http://www.euroncap.com/results/suzuki/swift/2010/403.aspx


Latin-spec (Made in India) Maruti-Suzuki Swift:

http://www.latinncap.com/data/pdf/suzuki_swift_2airbags_en.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWUfSrbKDys


Also note the substantial differences in frontal impact protection offered in the 2 different versions:

Frontal impact cross-members of Euro-Spec Swift: (notice the solid metal crossmembers and impact absorbing foam)
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Frontal impact cross-members of India-Spec Swift: (notice the two sets of thin metal tubes and LACK of ANY impact absorbing foam)
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Many cars have been built in India for many years now.

Made in India does not equal Indian-spec just like Made in China doesn't make Apple devices Chinese spec.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but also don't make assumption based on where something comes from.
 
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SauRoNZA said:
Many cars have been built in India for many years now.

Made in India does not equal Indian-spec just like Made in China doesn't make Apple devices Chinese spec.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but also don't make assumption based on where something comes from.
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The popular Maruti Suzuki Swift and the Datsun Go have failed the latest round of Indian crash tests carried out by Global NCAP.

The Go is an entry-level model, which competes with Maruti Suzuki's Alto800 and Hyundai Eon, while the Swift is positioned as a more premium hatchback.

The Swift has received a zero star rating in the 64km/h frontal collision test.

Two variants of the car were tested - one exported by Maruti to Latin America and another which sells as the base variant here in India.

Latin American market regulations mean that car's base variant too has airbags/ABS, while in India neither is standard.

Global NCAP's testing protocol mandates that all cars (including base variants) must carry at least airbags and ABS to get its certification; and so on that count alone the Indian Swift model failed the test even before the crash happened.

The crash analysis showed the crash-test-dummies having sustained near-fatal injuries, more so in the case of the driver. The car's structural integrity was also deemed as unstable.

And this is a key point, given the made-in-Europe Swift has a much sturdier structure and had achieved a 5-Star crash certification from Euro-NCAP.

The Latin American export Swift got a 3-Star rating, chiefly due to the presence of airbags/ABS, which meant fewer injuries to the crash-test-dummies. But structurally that car performed similarly to the other Swift.

But it isn't just about adding airbags or ABS, as the Datsun Go's crash test shows. The car's body shell disintegrated severely during the same kind of test.

Of course the lack of airbags further compounded the potential injuries. The driver and passenger dummies sustained fatal injuries to the head, torso and legs.

Last year Global NCAP had carried out the first round of India tests, where the Tata Nano, Hyundai i10, Maruti Alto800, Ford Figo and VW Polo had been crashed.

None of the cars had passed due to a lack of airbags as standard, with the smaller cars faring poorly on build quality too.

The focus of these tests is to create awareness amongst Indian consumers, and also suggest the adoption of safety protocols by the government.

Very often manufacturers claim they don't offer safety features in base versions due to 'lack of demand' by consumers.

PS: All manufacturers whose cars are crash tested are always informed and invited to witness the test. We sought reactions from both Maruti Suzuki and Datsun.

Nissan India which owns Datsun has told NDTV:

"Automotive regulation standards in fast-growing countries are constantly evolving and as a global manufacturer, we are willing to adopt as well as help evolve standards in vehicular safety."

Commenting on this Maruti Suzuki India said:

"The cars manufactured and sold by Maruti Suzuki in India 'fully conform to all the regulations that are presently applicable in India'. Maruti Suzuki is committed towards Safety- safety for customers and for public at large. We have given a choice to the customers to select variants having air-bags & ABS. We will ensure all products will meet all the future safety regulations well in time."


http://auto.ndtv.com/news/now-maruti-swift-datsun-go-fail-ncap-crash-tests-688031


See this blog about car safety in India as well:

http://sites.ndtv.com/roadsafety/category/safer-cars-for-india/
 
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Some cars will even have multiple airbags, and not just the driver and passenger airbags. There could be curtain, knee, and side airbags for instance – even in cars in mass segments.

But none of these features can tell you if the car is rigid and structurally sound.

So how do you know that? Well, honestly there is no real way for you to know it for a certainty. Of course every salesman will tell you that their car is very safe!

But take the example of the i10 – which is made only in India for the world at the same plant in Chennai.

The Indian model failed the crash test miserably, while when the European car had been tested earlier, it had done very well.

So obviously two different qualities of construction were being used.

This is why we need an India NCAP – or new car assessment programme. This way all manufacturers will have to get their cars tested and certified.

And I don’t just mean any models, but the base models selling in our market.

That guarantees that the car has a star rating, and the lower the number of stars, the less safe the car is. While all cars may not carry such a rating on their brochures, the information will then be publicly available.


http://sites.ndtv.com/roadsafety/what-should-buyers-look-for-to-ensure-car-is-safe/
 
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Ivan Leon said:
The popular Maruti Suzuki Swift and the Datsun Go have failed the latest round of Indian crash tests carried out by Global NCAP.

The Go is an entry-level model, which competes with Maruti Suzuki's Alto800 and Hyundai Eon, while the Swift is positioned as a more premium hatchback.

The Swift has received a zero star rating in the 64km/h frontal collision test.

Two variants of the car were tested - one exported by Maruti to Latin America and another which sells as the base variant here in India.

Latin American market regulations mean that car's base variant too has airbags/ABS, while in India neither is standard.

Global NCAP's testing protocol mandates that all cars (including base variants) must carry at least airbags and ABS to get its certification; and so on that count alone the Indian Swift model failed the test even before the crash happened.

The crash analysis showed the crash-test-dummies having sustained near-fatal injuries, more so in the case of the driver. The car's structural integrity was also deemed as unstable.

And this is a key point, given the made-in-Europe Swift has a much sturdier structure and had achieved a 5-Star crash certification from Euro-NCAP.

The Latin American export Swift got a 3-Star rating, chiefly due to the presence of airbags/ABS, which meant fewer injuries to the crash-test-dummies. But structurally that car performed similarly to the other Swift.

But it isn't just about adding airbags or ABS, as the Datsun Go's crash test shows. The car's body shell disintegrated severely during the same kind of test.

Of course the lack of airbags further compounded the potential injuries. The driver and passenger dummies sustained fatal injuries to the head, torso and legs.

Last year Global NCAP had carried out the first round of India tests, where the Tata Nano, Hyundai i10, Maruti Alto800, Ford Figo and VW Polo had been crashed.

None of the cars had passed due to a lack of airbags as standard, with the smaller cars faring poorly on build quality too.

The focus of these tests is to create awareness amongst Indian consumers, and also suggest the adoption of safety protocols by the government.

Very often manufacturers claim they don't offer safety features in base versions due to 'lack of demand' by consumers.

PS: All manufacturers whose cars are crash tested are always informed and invited to witness the test. We sought reactions from both Maruti Suzuki and Datsun.

Nissan India which owns Datsun has told NDTV:

"Automotive regulation standards in fast-growing countries are constantly evolving and as a global manufacturer, we are willing to adopt as well as help evolve standards in vehicular safety."

Commenting on this Maruti Suzuki India said:

"The cars manufactured and sold by Maruti Suzuki in India 'fully conform to all the regulations that are presently applicable in India'. Maruti Suzuki is committed towards Safety- safety for customers and for public at large. We have given a choice to the customers to select variants having air-bags & ABS. We will ensure all products will meet all the future safety regulations well in time."


http://auto.ndtv.com/news/now-maruti-swift-datsun-go-fail-ncap-crash-tests-688031


See this blog about car safety in India as well:

http://sites.ndtv.com/roadsafety/category/safer-cars-for-india/
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Ivan Leon said:
Some cars will even have multiple airbags, and not just the driver and passenger airbags. There could be curtain, knee, and side airbags for instance – even in cars in mass segments.

But none of these features can tell you if the car is rigid and structurally sound.

So how do you know that? Well, honestly there is no real way for you to know it for a certainty. Of course every salesman will tell you that their car is very safe!

But take the example of the i10 – which is made only in India for the world at the same plant in Chennai.

The Indian model failed the crash test miserably, while when the European car had been tested earlier, it had done very well.

So obviously two different qualities of construction were being used.

This is why we need an India NCAP – or new car assessment programme. This way all manufacturers will have to get their cars tested and certified.

And I don’t just mean any models, but the base models selling in our market.

That guarantees that the car has a star rating, and the lower the number of stars, the less safe the car is. While all cars may not carry such a rating on their brochures, the information will then be publicly available.


http://sites.ndtv.com/roadsafety/what-should-buyers-look-for-to-ensure-car-is-safe/
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And neither of your posts confirms that is the exact same specification found in South Africa.

Please try again.
 
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SauRoNZA said:
Yeah Bull**** sales man.

But you can't go wrong with a properly Japanese car either from Honda or Suzuki or Daihatsu or Toyota and Subaru.

They just don't make bad cars.
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Try a Brio, can get a good one for less than 100k and I still don't get why people hate them.
 
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I have Honda Brio just few weeks old. Loving every of it. except design of rear, tiny boot.
 
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SauRoNZA said:
And neither of your posts confirms that is the exact same specification found in South Africa.

Please try again.
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Datsun Go - Made in India - same spec in SA as in India

The Go will be built in India where it'll go on sale early next year at a price of less than 400 000 rupees (R66 000) and it will offer a competitive overall cost of ownership, Datsun promises.

The compact hatch appears to be based on the Nissan Micra, with which it shares a wheelbase measurement of 2450mm and its width (1635mm) and length (3785mm) are in the same ballpark too.

The Go also has a more adventurous exterior design than its Nissan cousin, although the Datsun has faced 'some cost-cutting measures'. (This means ABS & Airbags are NOT AVAILABLE in any version).

Though the actual styling work on the Datsun Go took place at Nissan's global design centre in Japan, much of the project's engineering and R&D work took place in India, in collaboration with local suppliers, in order to keep costs down.

http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/lates...a-bound-hatch-revealed-1.1546823#.VMC6_VWUehk


Datsun, the budget brand of Nissan, is embroiled in a storm of controversy after its new car, the Go, failed a crash test.

Go was launched in SA last month and retails for R89,500.

It has now achieved a zero rating and an international vehicle safety body is calling for withdrawal of the car from the markets, which include SA, and has urged the company to stop selling it.

Initial reactions to its launch were mixed after it emerged that the car does not feature what many regard as basic safety equipment in the form of an anti-lock braking system (ABS) or airbags.

"The Datsun Go has a body structure so weak that it is pointless to fit an airbag," said David Ward, the secretary-general of international vehicle safety body GlobalNCAP.

The full crash test report on the vehicle is even more scathing. "The Datsun Go scored zero stars for adult occupant protection and just two stars for child occupant protection. The Datsun Go’s vehicle structure collapsed in the crash and was rated as unstable," it reads.

"The car’s lack of airbags meant that the driver’s head makes direct contact with the steering wheel and dashboard — the dummy readings indicate a high probability of life-threatening injuries."

GlobalNCAP chairman Max Mosley sent a letter to the chairman of the Renault-Nissan Alliance, Carlos Ghosn, recommending what the company should do.

"In these circumstances I would urge you to withdraw the Datsun Go from sale in India (and any other markets where it is being sold) pending a redesign of the car’s body shell to make it worthwhile to fit airbags," the letter reads.

Mr Ward said from London he was surprised that SA would allow the Go into the market.

Differences in global legislation mean that standards in one country can differ widely from those in another.

SA has antiquated safety legislation, despite being a signatory to a 1958 United Nations agreement on safety standards. There is no crash test required for the granting of approval of new vehicles.

Datsun SA brand manager Des Fenner reaffirming the company’s commitment to safety. "We understand that safety is key and Nissan is going through the (Indian) test data. (But) the Datsun Go 'does meet all South African regulations'."

Nico Vermeulen, director at the National Association of Automobile Manufacturers SA (Naamsa), said the organisation believed that there could be no compromise on vehicle safety standards.

"It is paramount, so if there is a vehicle that does not comply, that needs to be looked at."

Nissan SA is a member of Naamsa.

http://www.bdlive.co.za/life/motoring/2014/11/10/datsun-go-fails-crash-test-but-is-on-sale-in-sa

Suzuki Swift - Made in India - same spec as the Latin American version - (India-spec version with the addition of ABS & Airbags)


According to Charl Grobler, sales and product manager at Suzuki Auto SA, the test was conducted on two different grades of the Suzuki Swift: the Indian basic specification model, and the Latin American export specification version.

“However, the Swift 1.2 model offered for sale in SA is the export specification version, which comes equipped with ABS and dual front airbags. Therefore, the zero safety score is not applicable to the locally available Swift model,” Grobler added.

The Global NCAP test conducted on the export model as sold in SA resulted in a three-star rating.

The Swift 1.2 also meets all SA regulations and compulsory specifications as set out by the National Regulator for Compulsory Specifications (NRCS) – previously known as the SABS.

Grobler points out that SA customers seeking an even higher level of active and passive safety can opt for the Swift 1.4 and Swift Sport models.

These models benefit from additional safety systems, including a total of six airbags, Brake Assist (BA) and Electronic Brake Force Distribution (EBD) for the ABS braking system, and Electronic Stability Programme (ESP).

http://www.suzukiauto.co.za/suzuki-swifts-sold-sa-safe/
 
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spiderkzn said:
I have Honda Brio just few weeks old. Loving every of it. except design of rear, tiny boot.
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See its a good car, I still don't get why people have such a hate for this Japanese car,

And why there aren't more of them around!
Makes no sense sometimes....
 
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eg2505 said:
See its a good car, I still don't get why people have such a hate for this Japanese car,

And why there aren't more of them around!
Makes no sense sometimes....
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Mostly because takes 'plastic' to a scary new level.

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Before the Brio, I don't think I've ever seen anybody try a wood-grain effect out of brown plastic.
 
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