Current best new cars under R130 000?

[Ivan Leon]

See its a good car, I still don't get why people have such a hate for this Japanese car, And why there aren't more of them around! Makes no sense sometimes....

Honda Brio Manual Review:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/official-new-car-reviews/107427-honda-brio-test-drive-review.html

What you’ll like:

• A thoroughly contemporary Honda at a sub-5 lakh rupee tag
• Entertaining performance, sweet i-VTEC engine & healthy power-to-weight ratio
• High quality interiors for the segment
• Light controls, slick gearshift and easy maneuverability for in-city commuting
• Honda reliability & fuss-free ownership experience

What you won’t:

• Equipment list lacks rear defogger, CD player & driver seat height adjustment
• Basic, unsettled ride quality on imperfect roads. Gets choppy on uneven highways
• Small 175 liter boot
• Ordinary space for back seat passengers. Rear seat-back too short
• Quirky rear-end styling is a hit or miss


Honda Brio Automatic Review:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offic...657-honda-brio-automatic-official-review.html

What you’ll like:

• 5-speed Automatic gearbox is easily the best-in-class
• Sweet i-VTEC engine & healthy power-to-weight ratio
• High quality interiors for the segment
• Light controls, smooth gearshifts and easy maneuverability make for stress-free commuting
• Honda's reliability & ownership experience

What you won’t:

• Gearbox can end up puzzled on mid-throttle input
• Equipment list lacks rear defogger, CD player & driver seat height adjustment
• Basic, unsettled ride quality on irregular roads. Gets choppy on uneven highways
• Small 175 liter boot
• Ordinary space for back seat passengers. Rear seat-back too short

 

[Debeer165]

My biggest issue with the brio and most other cars of that class is where they are made.

I don't yet trust Indian engineering.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

My biggest issue with the brio and most other cars of that class is where they are made.

I don't yet trust Indian engineering.

Isn't the figo imported from India? And so many other small cars? I'm sure they qc it a lot more for export,

Never hear any of that on any of the Hilux we export out of Sa.

 

[Quantum Theory]

Isn't the figo imported from India? And so many other small cars? I'm sure they qc it a lot more for export,

Never hear any of that on any of the Hilux we export out of Sa.

Ivan Leon will disagree...

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Mostly because takes 'plastic' to a scary new level.

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Before the Brio, I don't think I've ever seen anybody try a wood-grain effect out of brown plastic.

I do agree with you there, strange they go with cream, such a poor choice for sa,

And do agree the back looks like an 80's hatch that wasn't finished properly.

But if boot space is what you need buy the sedan variant, if a family you have buy the MPV variant, if you buy the hatch you can't complain about the boot space, you wanted a hatchback you need to live with it.

All Im saying, is They wouldn't make so many variants avalible if it was a cr@p car, they clearly interested in improving it,
New variants even got the practical black interior that last longer.

Sure there's gonna be a bakkie variant soon enough,

 

[Debeer165]

Isn't the figo imported from India? And so many other small cars? I'm sure they qc it a lot more for export,

Never hear any of that on any of the Hilux we export out of Sa.

I believe so, but I'm not too sure as I'm not a Figo pro. And yes, sadly many small cars are.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Sure there's gonna be a bakkie variant soon enough,

Turns out I'm not crazy there's the Honda Ridgeline, they could consivebly make a bakkie similar to the fiat strada,

Maybe then people might notice this underrated car for once.....

 

[Ivan Leon]

Ivan Leon will disagree...

I expect that the SA export version of the Hilux has to meet the safety regulations of whatever countries it will be exported to.

Just like the Indian manufactured models of vehicles that are destined for the Latin American market (and SA, apparently), have to meet a higher safety requirement (ABS & 2 airbags minimum), compared to the domestic models for the Indian market.

Apparently, touch-screen / multimedia Head Units, alloy wheels, climate control and leather upholstery seem to be a higher priority for the Indian market, than actual safety equipment, such as ABS, airbags, ESP and Traction Control.

The Datsun GO & GO+ on the other hand, are built to such low cost-cutting standards, that they are not even fitted with ABS, airbags, or even inertia-reel seatbelts for the rear passengers, (or crumple zones) in any variant sold world-wide, hence the call by Global NCAP to have them withdrawn from ALL markets until they have been re-engineered.

 

[HapticSimian]

Turns out I'm not crazy there's the Honda Ridgeline, they could consivebly make a bakkie similar to the fiat strada,

Maybe then people might notice this underrated car for once.....

It's not underrated. It's rated poorly, because it's not a good car. Underrated cars don't rust after four months.

 

[Quantum Theory]

I expect that the SA export version of the Hilux has to meet the safety regulations of whatever countries it will be exported to.

Just like the Indian manufactured models of vehicles that are destined for the Latin American market (and SA, apparently), have to meet a higher safety requirement (ABS & 2 airbags minimum), compared to the domestic models for the Indian market.

Apparently, touch-screen / multimedia Head Units, alloy wheels, climate control and leather upholstery seem to be a higher priority for the Indian market, than actual safety equipment, such as ABS, airbags, ESP and Traction Control.

The Datsun GO & GO+ on the other hand, are built to such low cost-cutting standards, that they are not even fitted with ABS, airbags, or even inertia-reel seatbelts for the rear passengers, (or crumple zones) in any variant sold world-wide, hence the call by Global NCAP to have them withdrawn from ALL markets until they have been re-engineered.

I don't read most of your posts, as most of them are too long and in-depth, describing things I take for granted. Cars just over the R100k mark and even some slightly higher end models, made for emerging markets, well, their mostly death traps. But even my previous American car had a really bad rating in the small front overlap test. That brand has improved a lot with their to latest models and are getting excellent NCAP scores, but emerging markets just don't care about any of that. Those people are just happy to own cars and not scooters...

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

It's not underrated. It's rated poorly, because it's not a good car. Underrated cars don't rust after four months.

So this is the big secret?,

This is news to me, rust like a lancia Beta or just a bit in hidden areas, what about warrenty shouldn't that be covered? Especially after 4 months from new,

 

[Quantum Theory]

So this is the big secret?,

This is news to me, rust like a lancia Beta or just a bit in hidden areas, what about warrenty shouldn't that be covered? Especially after 4 months from new,

Look, even R500k bakkies rust from the inside out... Ask Brenden_E, he just bought one

 

[Ivan Leon]

Quantum Theory: Emerging markets just don't care about any of that. Those people are just happy to own cars and not scooters...

That was the primary motivation for TATA to launch the Nano in India. Designed to lure India's burgeoning middle classes away from two-wheelers, it received much publicity.

The original Nano is not street legal in the US, and cannot legally be sold as a grey market import until 2034, when the original 2009 models receive a 25-year exemption from the US Customs and Border Protection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Nano

 

[HapticSimian]

So this is the big secret?,

This is news to me, rust like a lancia Beta or just a bit in hidden areas, what about warrenty shouldn't that be covered? Especially after 4 months from new,

Sure, it'll be a warranty claim, but it shouldn't happen in the first place regardless of how minor it is. I don't know the extent, but that it happens was shared with me by someone at Honda SA's head office.

Even if that has been addressed on later examples, the Brio is still not a good car. It was designed, and is built to a budget for emerging markets. It isn't particularly well put together, and it doesn't go or stop with any great aplomb. It fills a need, but does so only marginally better than a scooter.

It is not a car I would suggest to anyone in good faith, and not something I would ever spend my own money on.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

So this is the big secret?,

This is news to me, rust like a lancia Beta or just a bit in hidden areas, what about warrenty shouldn't that be covered? Especially after 4 months from new,

Also is this in coastal areas? Dosent any car even a rolls rust in salt air?

 

[Quantum Theory]

It is not a car I would suggest to anyone in good faith, and not something I would ever spend my own money on.

If it has to be new, what would you suggest in good faith, in that price range?

 

[HapticSimian]

Also is this in coastal areas? Dosent any car even a rolls rust in salt air?

VW group cars carry 12 year warranties against corrosion. Bar the Vivo and Amarok, which are guaranteed rust free for 6. So, no...

If it has to be new, what would you suggest in good faith, in that price range?

It's tricky, as all the cars currently available at that price point have their foibles. I think one would do better with an i10 or Picanto, but my first drive in the little KIA a few days ago left me gobsmacked. The last car I drove with such lifeless steering - to the point I'd consider it dangerous - was a 20 year old beater of an Alfa...

The Up! will be a revelation in this segment, but I foresee massive supply constrains, unfortunately. That we are only getting the 3-door, at least initially, also won't help.

I know it kind of defeats the question, but it's at the bottom end of the market where your money often is much better spent on a year old car.

 

[Quantum Theory]

VW group cars carry 12 year warranties against corrosion. Bar the Vivo and Amarok, which are guaranteed rust free for 6. So, no...

It's tricky, as all the cars currently available at that price point have their foibles. I think one would do better with an i10 or Picanto, but my first drive in the little KIA a few days ago left me gobsmacked. The last car I drove with such lifeless steering - to the point I'd consider it dangerous - was a 20 year old beater of an Alfa...

The Up! will be a revelation in this segment, but I foresee massive supply constrains, unfortunately. That we are only getting the 3-door, at least initially, also won't help.

I know it kind of defeats the question, but it's at the bottom end of the market where your money often is much better spent on a year old car.

My wife has had 2 i10's and now has a Grand i10. It is al she wants and needs. The car journalists praise the new i10 (in it's class), but I do not think it is that much better than the old one. Probably on par with the Brio.

 

[Ivan Leon]

The Hyundai Grand i10 has been launched in India at a price of between Rs. 4.29 - 6.41 lakhs (ex-Delhi).

What you'll like:

• All-rounded package in a contemporary design. Improved over the old i10 in nearly every way
• Interiors have best-in-class fit, finish & quality. Increased cabin space & boot capacity
• Fuel-efficient, practical diesel & peppy petrol. Smooth gearbox too
• Loaded with features (keyless start & go, electric folding ORVMs, rear air-con, cooled glovebox etc.)
• Comfortable ride quality and predictable handling. No bumpiness
• Hyundai's fussfree ownership experience & excellent after-sales service
• Priced lower than chief competitor, the Maruti Swift

What you won't:

• 1.1L diesel lacks the top-end punch of competition. Ordinary highway performance
• Missing climate control, adjustable front neck restraints and dead pedal
• The Swift and Brio are more fun to drive. Grand i10's steering & dynamics aren't to an enthusiast's tastes
• Rear defogger, ABS & Airbags only on Asta trim level. Should have been optional with the middle variant
• More suited as a 4 seater, rather than 5
• Automatic transmission is still some time away from launch

The 1st-gen i10 was launched in India in the year 2007.

Despite a petrol-only engine range, it accomplished a monthly sales average of 8,000 over the last 12 months. What's more, the i10 has consistently ranked in the Top 10 bestsellers chart. 6 years since the time of launch, there isn't a doubt that the ol' i10 is still a competent city hatchback.

In the fiercely competitive B2 hatchback segment, a successful formula is hard to arrive at. Why mess with a good thing then?

In an approach that's similar to that of the new Maruti Swift, the Grand i10 is an evolution of the earlier car.

It's a safe, conservative strategy that entails improving the existing package, rather than trying something entirely different.

The Grand i10 is a step ahead in nearly every way, but it doesn't throw out any of the advantages of the 1st-generation car.

Importantly, this time around, Hyundai has a crucial weapon in its arsenal : A diesel engine.

This is the 2nd generation i10. India gets it before Europe, just like the 1st gen which had its world premiere here. Not surprising, as India is the most important market for this car.

There have been some India-specific changes as well. For starters, the length increases by 100 mm, as does the wheelbase by 40 mm. The rear window & door are bigger than on the Euro version too. The C-Pillar is different and a rear air-conditioner has been added to the kit.

Internationally, the Grand i10 replaces the 1st-gen; however, Hyundai India intends to sell both side by side here.

The compact car segment accounts for 70% of the market, no wonder that Maruti & Hyundai deploy a similar approach to guarding their turf by offering multiple hatchbacks within a narrow price band...product overlap notwithstanding. Maruti has 9 hatchbacks on sale in India and the Grand is Hyundai's 5th.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/official-new-car-reviews/141699-hyundai-grand-i10-official-review.html

 

[Quantum Theory]

The Hyundai Grand i10 has been launched in India at a price of between Rs. 4.29 - 6.41 lakhs (ex-Delhi).

What you'll like:

• All-rounded package in a contemporary design. Improved over the old i10 in nearly every way
• Interiors have best-in-class fit, finish & quality. Increased cabin space & boot capacity
• Fuel-efficient, practical diesel & peppy petrol. Smooth gearbox too
• Loaded with features (keyless start & go, electric folding ORVMs, rear air-con, cooled glovebox etc.)
• Comfortable ride quality and predictable handling. No bumpiness
• Hyundai's fussfree ownership experience & excellent after-sales service
• Priced lower than chief competitor, the Maruti Swift

What you won't:

• 1.1L diesel lacks the top-end punch of competition. Ordinary highway performance
• Missing climate control, adjustable front neck restraints and dead pedal
• The Swift and Brio are more fun to drive. Grand i10's steering & dynamics aren't to an enthusiast's tastes
• Rear defogger, ABS & Airbags only on Asta trim level. Should have been optional with the middle variant
• More suited as a 4 seater, rather than 5
• Automatic transmission is still some time away from launch

The 1st-gen i10 was launched in India in the year 2007.

Despite a petrol-only engine range, it accomplished a monthly sales average of 8,000 over the last 12 months. What's more, the i10 has consistently ranked in the Top 10 bestsellers chart. 6 years since the time of launch, there isn't a doubt that the ol' i10 is still a competent city hatchback.

In the fiercely competitive B2 hatchback segment, a successful formula is hard to arrive at. Why mess with a good thing then?

In an approach that's similar to that of the new Maruti Swift, the Grand i10 is an evolution of the earlier car.

It's a safe, conservative strategy that entails improving the existing package, rather than trying something entirely different.

The Grand i10 is a step ahead in nearly every way, but it doesn't throw out any of the advantages of the 1st-generation car.

Importantly, this time around, Hyundai has a crucial weapon in its arsenal : A diesel engine.

This is the 2nd generation i10. India gets it before Europe, just like the 1st gen which had its world premiere here. Not surprising, as India is the most important market for this car.

There have been some India-specific changes as well. For starters, the length increases by 100 mm, as does the wheelbase by 40 mm. The rear window & door are bigger than on the Euro version too. The C-Pillar is different and a rear air-conditioner has been added to the kit.

Internationally, the Grand i10 replaces the 1st-gen; however, Hyundai India intends to sell both side by side here.

The compact car segment accounts for 70% of the market, no wonder that Maruti & Hyundai deploy a similar approach to guarding their turf by offering multiple hatchbacks within a narrow price band...product overlap notwithstanding. Maruti has 9 hatchbacks on sale in India and the Grand is Hyundai's 5th.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/official-new-car-reviews/141699-hyundai-grand-i10-official-review.html

TL;DR again... So what do you think? Is the Grand i10 better than the Brio?