Current best new cars under R130 000?

[Jet-Fighter7700]

TL;DR again... So what do you think? Is the Grand i10 better than the Brio?

I don't think so, the grand i10 is a picanto wearing a mask, the Brio ( as fast as as I know) is not rebagded,based on, or copied from any other car, so called clean sheet design,

Why isn't that better, like the Honda cub scooter wasn't based on anything that came before it ,and they sold millions, so too this, can't be Honda built 1 dud....

One of these days Ill actually rent one, or get it as a courtesy car and sing its praises even more

 

[Quantum Theory]

I don't think so, the grand i10 is a picanto wearing a mask, the Brio ( as fast as as I know) is not rebagded,based on, or copied from any other car, so called clean sheet design,

Why isn't that better, like the Honda cub scooter wasn't based on anything that came before it ,and they sold millions, so too this, can't be Honda built 1 dud....

One of these days Ill actually rent one, or get it as a courtesy car and sing its praises even more

The Grand is slightly better than the old i10, which is marginally better than the Picanto. The Grand is definitely a step up from the Picanto. I'm interested to know if the Brio comes close, or falls short of the Grand i10. The Grand might look better, but it might be a closer match than expected...

 

[jansdejager]

How about this monster

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

How about this monster

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If you belong to a hells angels club. Then yes,

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

The Grand is slightly better than the old i10, which is marginally better than the Picanto. The Grand is definitely a step up from the Picanto. I'm interested to know if the Brio comes close, or falls short of the Grand i10. The Grand might look better, but it might be a closer match than expected...

Well lets start with this;

The Grand is a picanto, with all the problems of it, including the infamous crankshaft pulley bolt story, that Kia/Hyundai refuse to fix, even though its due to their workmanship in Korea

As far as I know, no such issues with the Honda, no major recalls, no platform sharing, totally clean sheet design, (one forumite says rust, I have trouble believing that though, no Google hits on that).

Maybe I'm wrong, don't actually drive one so no definite proof, but from the ENOURMOUS varity of cheap cars made in India/China that get Imported here,

This looks the most resonable, this and that new Suzuki celerio, but that's just come out so who knows,

Keep wondering about all those Chinese cars brought here,what about that yaris rip off, hows any of those, can you at least mechanically just use Toyota parts?

 

[SauRoNZA]

I don't yet trust Indian engineering.

Built in India does not equal Indian engineering.

Like I illustrated earlier, an Apple iPhone is manufactured in China and engineered by Americans like many many other things.

I ride a British designed bike built in Thailand.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Built in India does not equal Indian engineering.

Like I illustrated earlier, an Apple iPhone is manufactured in China and engineered by Americans like many many other things.

I ride a British designed bike built in Thailand.

Globalization, what's made in one country isn't nessasarily a product (good or bad) of that country, take the Polo, its not a German car at all, actually Spanish, if I remember right.

 

[HapticSimian]

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As far as I know, no such issues with the Honda, no major recalls, no platform sharing, totally clean sheet design, (one forumite says rust, I have trouble believing that though, no Google hits on that).
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Platform sharing isn't inherently a bad thing, surely. Nor is a 'totally clean sheet design' necessarily a good thing. As for the rust, here is a google hit for you. Actually, it's the first hit when popping 'honda brio rust' into google... I don't know if it's a widespread issue, but the person at Honda's HQ would hardly have any reason to fib about them receiving the odd returned car either.

Even if it's an isolated case of one, it is still indicative of a car being produced to lower than acceptable standards.

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Keep wondering about all those Chinese cars brought here,what about that yaris rip off, hows any of those, can you at least mechanically just use Toyota parts?

Every Chinese car I've been in and/or driven makes the Brio look like a World Car of the Year contender. And no, you can't use Toyota parts just because a GWM Florid looks like the lovechild of a Yaris and Swift.

 

[HapticSimian]

Built in India does not equal Indian engineering.

Like I illustrated earlier, an Apple iPhone is manufactured in China and engineered by Americans like many many other things.

I ride a British designed bike built in Thailand.

You are right, of course. There is a caveat though: I may be wrong but I'm sure I have yet to see anything approaching the complexity of a car, produced in India, that isn't obviously of a lower standard. Even VW isn't immune; the current Polo sedan is built in India, and it's quite staggering to park one next to its SA-built hatchback sibling.

 

[jansdejager]

Why not consult the popularity of this segment

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Platform sharing isn't inherently a bad thing, surely. Nor is a 'totally clean sheet design' necessarily a good thing. As for the rust, here is a google hit for you. Actually, it's the first hit when popping 'honda brio rust' into google... I don't know if it's a widespread issue, but the person at Honda's HQ would hardly have any reason to fib about them receiving the odd returned car either.

Even if it's an isolated case of one, it is still indicative of a car being produced to lower than acceptable standards.


Every Chinese car I've been in and/or driven makes the Brio look like a World Car of the Year contender. And no, you can't use Toyota parts just because a GWM Florid looks like the lovechild of a Yaris and Swift.

Read that hello Peter complaint, saw its in Cpt,
ANY car rusts near the coast, some more than others especially next to the sea all day,

So I'd like to think that's an isolated case, if they made a version made of fiberglass and plastic, that wodnt rust but one little bump will make it fall apart,

The new VW beetle comes to mind, saw one after a low speed crash and not much was left of it,even a z4 after a little bump how destroyed it looked

But you would agree with me in the 4 or so odd years the brio been around, no recalls, no major issues with the engine, no trim falling off, no real drama that made a specific year or trim line be rejected by others? And as far as I know good resale value and no high theft rates, (yet)

 

[jansdejager]

Here's another one

The Honda Civic is Canada's bestselling car for 2014 in the compact and subcompact segment, and America's 2nd best selling in this bracket. I'm guessing they have coastal cities there. These include mid-sized sedans so it's hard to judge but we can assume no other small car had more than 800 sales in USA or 15 sales in Canada.

 

[WaxLyrical]

Theres quite a funny Sandero ad doing the rounds on tv and it has a turbo to boot.

 

[Quantum Theory]

Why not consult the popularity of this segment

Here's another one

The Honda Civic is Canada's bestselling car for 2014 in the compact and subcompact segment, and America's 2nd best selling in this bracket. I'm guessing they have coastal cities there. These include mid-sized sedans so it's hard to judge but we can assume no other small car had more than 800 sales in USA or 15 sales in Canada.

Those are completely irrelevant in this thread... US car market is very far removed from ours. Not one of those cars will be under R130k (not even used).

 

[jansdejager]

Those are completely irrelevant in this thread... US car market is very far removed from ours. Not one of those cars will be under R130k (not even used).

I think in this price range, second hand is best imho

 

[Debeer165]

Yeah, we aren't discussing the segment shown in those graphs. Even secondhand you'd struggle to find most of those under 130

 

[SauRoNZA]

Globalization, what's made in one country isn't nessasarily a product (good or bad) of that country, take the Polo, its not a German car at all, actually Spanish, if I remember right.

You are thinking of the previous generation Playa which was a Seat Córdoba.

But even those are only as Spanish as they sound and remain VW's in every way.

You are right, of course. There is a caveat though: I may be wrong but I'm sure I have yet to see anything approaching the complexity of a car, produced in India, that isn't obviously of a lower standard. Even VW isn't immune; the current Polo sedan is built in India, and it's quite staggering to park one next to its SA-built hatchback sibling.

Oh don't get get me wrong I had the terrible misfortune of owning a Fiesta built in India.

But I just needed to make the point that manufacturing does not equal engineering.

An Indian built Polo is still far superior to a Tata for instance.

 

[dj_jyno]

You are thinking of the previous generation Playa which was a Seat Córdoba.

But even those are only as Spanish as they sound and remain VW's in every way.

Close... the Playa was a Seat Ibiza, the Classic was a Córdoba.

 

[Debeer165]

Oh don't get get me wrong I had the terrible misfortune of owning a Fiesta built in India.

But I just needed to make the point that manufacturing does not equal engineering.

An Indian built Polo is still far superior to a Tata for instance.

Ah yes, my bad on terminology then. I had wanted to say manufacturing, as many of the cars are not designed in India. And yes, those that are designed there and built there are definitely far worse off for it than those simply built there.

I however decided on Indian engineering because it rolls off the tongue nicely, similar to how (during the life flashing before your eyes stage) every memory you have will roll away nicely as each respective part of your brain is crushed to a fine paste during an accident in a GO.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Should be called the datsun go away!