Cyclists could be forced to get number plates and insurance under Highway Code changes (in the UK)

[Kieppie]

Nope it is a simple calculation of risk mitigation

Actually no it's not just a simple calculation. There are many knock on effects that will result from pushing such requirements. As there have been with all industries that interact with the various forms of insurance.

Also you're missing the point of needlessly adding more bureaucratic layers to a problem that doesn't warrant it. I'm not in favour of needing a license for every single benign thing I do that may carry some inherent risk. Not many people would be happy with a Vogon style government.

 

[DoodleBug]

What a nanny state, bunch of soft pricks. They can keep that BS over there.

 

[BuckRogers]

How about number plates for the flock of people walking on the N1

 

[Corelli]

We used to have bicycle licenses for using the road. The way some cyclists ride on the road, I think we should get some again. How come road users have to pay for the road upkeep but cyclists that drift like a-holes can do what they want and do it for free.

R u aware that road users actually pay for bicycle lanes? Yes the cyclists still ride on the road.

 

[Kieppie]

We used to have bicycle licenses for using the road. The way some cyclists ride on the road, I think we should get some again. How come road users have to pay for the road upkeep but cyclists that drift like a-holes can do what they want and do it for free.

R u aware that road users actually pay for bicycle lanes? Yes the cyclists still ride on the road.

Just because something existed in the past doesn't mean it should again.
You pay for roads whether you drive a car or not, so that's not really an argument. Also the wear and tear on a road from a cyclist is for all intents and purposes zero (0,00006 times that of an average vehicle).
Must admit I've never seen a cyclist "drift", in the proper sense of the word, outside of off-road trails (I don't count kids trying tricks as drifting).

Bicycle lanes protect both motorists and cyclist so keeping those two separate will always be optimal.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

It is what differentiates 1st world from 3rd world.
The thought of why should your actions mean I need to suffer in any manner or form

The mentality in SA is pure 3rd world. If I can get away from it I will. I know of 1st world countries where if a automated payment system is offline , people pile coins on the machine , because it is teh honest and fair way to do things. And that money wont get stolen

In Germany that's called the honesty system. And they stick to it. It will never work in SA nor Africa and I will give you two examples.

There are no barriers for underground trains in Germany nor ticket inspectors on trains, buses or ferries as it's expected you will have a ticket. Inspections do take place. occasionally. On the one ferry I took daily we joked with the inspectors and said that we now don't need to buy tickets for the next six months as they had been there. I have only ever seen two people caught for "Schwarzfahren" One a man on a bus who was issued a fine and all the children turned around, pointed and laughed at him with comments. Schwarzfahren is a huge humiliation and the fines are heavy because the offence isn't riding without a ticket, the offence is an offence against the honesty system which is taken very seriously in Germany.

The second incident was when I was serving on a French registered ship and there was always a bowl of chocolates on the sideboard near the coffee machine. If you felt like a Bounty or a Mars bar you took one. Then we were sent to do a job in Nigeria. The government required x amount of the crew to be local. Absolutely useless did nothing and we had to lock everything away. Just extra passengers and mouths to feed as they had no qualifications to perform any function.

The first thing we noticed was that the choc bowl was always empty. The Nigerians would take all as it was filled to their cabins. The caterer had to ration the chocs while they were on board. This is the difference between the first and third world and the reason we can't have nice things.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Of course. You're point being?

What did you require to drive a car and what did the car require?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Ask a litigation lawyer about your scenario next time, he will laugh.

Ever been involved in litigation? I have - twice. The only people that got rich were the lawyers. Ready to retract your statement?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Also not accurate. For example NY has a massive problem with subway fare dodging. Is that a third world country?
3rd world countries have a bigger interplay between integrity and survival.

It has a huge third world culture from the naturalised third world citizenry.

 

[Kieppie]

What did you require to drive a car and what did the car require?

Nothing. I used public transport or taxis. Closest to requiring anything was showing my SA drivers license when I rented a scooter for a week.

I'm still waiting for your point in how this relates to having licenses for bicycles and potentially any other activity that has an in built risk, never mind the actual topic of insurance.
Having licenses to show competency isn't relevant to this discussion.

 

[sefeddt]

We used to have bicycle licenses for using the road. The way some cyclists ride on the road, I think we should get some again. How come road users have to pay for the road upkeep but cyclists that drift like a-holes can do what they want and do it for free.

R u aware that road users actually pay for bicycle lanes? Yes the cyclists still ride on the road.

I'm a cyclist and motorist, where does that leave me. Not all cyclist are A holes, not all motorist are angels.

 

[neoprema]

Its about time. They irritate me with their constant moaning.

Do you see me driving a BMW on the OR Tambo 21R Runway and complaining that the planes aren't giving us enough freedom and the rules favor Boeing and Airbus too much?!

 

[Kieppie]

It has a huge third world culture from the naturalised third world citizenry.

Besides the subways, they also struggle with nearly 30% of bus fares not being paid.
It's one hell of a stretch to blame this on third world citizens, many of whom are much more law abiding and appreciative of their citizenship then the born and bred versions.

 

[Dave]

Why should I insure my second hand bicycle that cost me the equivalent of R300....

If it breaks or gets stolen who cares, I mostly use it to go to the shop.

Yes, there is no law that I have to pay his insurance. He has to first prove that it's my fault.

A cyclist vs a Ferari...who didn't look out for the road? Unless I literally ram into his car, his chances are very little of getting anyways and I doubt the insurance will persue it.

And will not get very far. Even the cyclist's insurance company will tell him to f off.

I would laugh if that occurs on my R300 bike on route to the shopping mall that is 2km away. Maybe I should get the lawyer to countersue him for the trauma.

And I thought you made stupid posts in the Russian war thread...

 

[pinball wizard]

Nope, I would include it in his salary ....

The one guy you employ. And the rest? **** em, yeah?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Nothing. I used public transport or taxis. Closest to requiring anything was showing my SA drivers license when I rented a scooter for a week.

I'm still waiting for your point in how this relates to having licenses for bicycles and potentially any other activity that has an in built risk, never mind the actual topic of insurance.
Having licenses to show competency isn't relevant to this discussion.

The number plates for cycles will allow identification of the miscreants who presently hide behind anonymity.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

The one guy you employ. And the rest? **** em, yeah?

No, their employers pay them...

 

[Kieppie]

The number plates for cycles will allow identification of the miscreants who presently hide behind anonymity.

Heh readability vs drag, not going to work.
Also given that cyclist get the shortest end of the stick when it comes to accidents the anonymity aspect becomes even less relevant.

Previous demands pertaining to license plates on bicycles for central London went to the House of Lords etc. Response "impractical, pointless and unusual".
Also the costs of such licensing scheme would either discourage many from cycling or increase public subsidies. Which is more a net negative on the whole.

Edit : Why not propose a law that all citizens have to wear a high visibility bib over their clothes with their personal identification on it. Will solve this whole anonymity thing. Cyclist, jaywalkers, cigarette chuckers, etc etc..

 

[Nerfherder]

Yes.

Good idea.

The vast majority of people on bicycles in SA are living on the verge of poverty, but lets enforce a tax on the people riding bicycles. Good plan.

You vote anc or eff with that room temperature IQ of yours?

Hardly.

Also it doesn't need to be a big tax. Like R200 per year.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Heh readability vs drag, not going to work.

Why not? A plate affixed to the saddle behind the lycra covered asre and the same size will be highly visible. About the same size as a square motorcycle plate. No drag involved at all as the asre creates the drag.

Edit : Why not propose a law that all citizens have to wear a high visibility bib over their clothes with their personal identification on it. Will solve this whole anonymity thing. Cyclist, jaywalkers, cigarette chuckers, etc etc..

Because they can't make a fast anonymous getaway which the cyclist depends on with the helmet and mirror shades helping the disguise.