Cyclists could be forced to get number plates and insurance under Highway Code changes (in the UK)

[pinball wizard]

 

[pinball wizard]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1559879554101026818

 

[Hemi300c]

The oinkers will follow suit short after this is introduced

 

[grok]

So this was why the 330ml volume of cold drinks were introduced? Specifically for when a South African traffic cop pulls you over on your bicycle and asks for your peppas..

 

[The Voice]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1559879554101026818

More important to remind cyclists that they need to obey traffic laws while using public roads or alternatively force them to use cycle lanes when available.

 

[pinball wizard]

More important to remind cyclists that they need to obey traffic laws while using public roads or alternatively force them to use cycle lanes when available.

Yeah. When I see motorists stopping at stop streets and obeying the speed limit and indicating to EXIT a traffic circle, and so on and so forth, I'll agree with your point.

 

[sefeddt]

A few years back the Jhb council built bicycle purpose lanes around Braamfontein and other areas for commuters working in inner city to cycle to work. This did not stop cars, taxi etc from parking over the lanes forcing cyclists into car lanes. The cyclist were lazy of course as when they came across this, they could just as easily stopped, got off their bikes and using the pavement push walked their bikes around the vehicle, then got back into the cycle lane.

 

[The Voice]

Yeah. When I see motorists stopping at stop streets and obeying the speed limit and indicating to EXIT a traffic circle, and so on and so forth, I'll agree with your point.

Difference is there are currently laws to punish motorists who break the speed limit, etc, but nothing for cyclists who do the same thing.

 

[pinball wizard]

Difference is there are currently laws to punish motorists who break the speed limit, etc, but nothing for cyclists who do the same thing.

Yeah, cause SO many cyclists are cruising around in excess of 60km/h.

I know it's a **** argument, but I'll say it again, I'll accept the finger being pointed at cyclists breaking the law when the motorists (who are a clear majority) can say they obey the laws as well.

 

[noxibox]

Does that mean all bicycles sold would have to come with some sort of certified speed measuring equipment?

Why shouldn't pedestrians also be required to have insurance? If they're anything like South African pedestrians then the majority of accidents they get into are actually their own fault. What about a cyclist or motorcyclist who gets injured because some moron crosses the road without looking first? I see some articles referring to killer cyclists while completely ignoring killer pedestrians. Perhaps pedestrians should also wear number plates.

It is good to see the UK wanting to emulate North Korea though.

So I live in arguably the one place with the most and well thought out cycling lanes in the world and they enforce speed limits on them because "blue plate" scooters are allowed to use them but are limited to their max speed.

But in that case they'd have to enforce those speeds only on the vehicles that have some method of reporting speed to the rider.

But then in typical European half arsed way of fixing a problem they decided to, instead of banning the main culprit (those scooters) from cycling lanes at all they'll rather force them to start wearing helmets ...from next year only though.

Proper helmets or those silly plastic things full of holes that many cyclists seem to like wearing?

As others have mentioned just make the use of cycling lanes mandatory if they're present. Having to license a bicycle is madness.

The problem is the design of the cycle lanes. In countries that don't have space or simply don't care the lanes are inevitably badly designed. We used to joke about only using cycle lanes in South Africa when we wanted to live dangerously because they were genuinely more dangerous than the road.

Because you can ride it into someone else and cause R20k+ damage

Sounds like a pretty unusual accident.

It is what differentiates 1st world from 3rd world.
The thought of why should your actions mean I need to suffer in any manner or form

The mentality in SA is pure 3rd world. If I can get away from it I will. I know of 1st world countries where if a automated payment system is offline , people pile coins on the machine , because it is teh honest and fair way to do things. And that money wont get stolen

There are plenty of developed countries where the money will be gone before you've even had a chance to turn around. So it certainly isn't what differentiates a developed from a developing country.

Didn’t SA have a Bicycle license fee at some point?

They did. It was really just a tax and practically unenforceable. Plenty of people simply didn't pay it

 

[The Voice]

A few years back the Jhb council built bicycle purpose lanes around Braamfontein and other areas for commuters working in inner city to cycle to work. This did not stop cars, taxi etc from parking over the lanes forcing cyclists into car lanes. The cyclist were lazy of course as when they came across this, they could just as easily stopped, got off their bikes and using the pavement push walked their bikes around the vehicle, then got back into the cycle lane.

It’s things like this that are pissing motorists off, though:

Driver furious after cyclist holds up traffic next to £1,200,000 cycle path

Jerry Skinner posted the video online because he was fed up with being late for work every day.

metro.co.uk

The Highway Code has also been updated recently to say that on narrower roads, i.e. just about every road in the UK, cyclists MUST ride in the middle of the lane, so if that means if they’re peddling along at 10mph that the line of cars behind them HAS to keep pace because it’s impossible to overtake.

Hundreds of roads have also been narrowed further to include new bike lanes that completely separate them from motorists with some type of barrier, sometimes at the expense of a second lane for cars, which is a nightmare for emergency services trying to get through. The least that cyclists could do is play ball and stay in their lane. Out here where I live there’s a 2-way cycle lane on the pavement that runs for over a mile and another cycle lane on the edge of the road, but cyclists still ride 2-3 abreast in the car lane. Why?

 

[The Voice]

Yeah, cause SO many cyclists are cruising around in excess of 60km/h.

I know it's a **** argument, but I'll say it again, I'll accept the finger being pointed at cyclists breaking the law when the motorists (who are a clear majority) can say they obey the laws as well.

The UK has 20mph limits in built up areas. I’ve had cyclists fly past me, but if I dare to go even a couple of miles over the limit, I’m guaranteed to get a letter in the post with a picture of my number plate and a fine that needs paying.

 

[pinball wizard]

The UK has 20mph limits in built up areas. I’ve had cyclists fly past me, but if I dare to go even a couple of miles over the limit, I’m guaranteed to get a letter in the post with a picture of my number plate and a fine that needs paying.

Oh ya, I keep forgetting the proposal in question is for your nanny state. You have my condolences.

 

[sefeddt]

It’s things like this that are pissing motorists off, though:

Driver furious after cyclist holds up traffic next to £1,200,000 cycle path

Jerry Skinner posted the video online because he was fed up with being late for work every day.

metro.co.uk

The Highway Code has also been updated recently to say that on narrower roads, i.e. just about every road in the UK, cyclists MUST ride in the middle of the lane, so if that means if they’re peddling along at 10mph that the line of cars behind them HAS to keep pace because it’s impossible to overtake.

Hundreds of roads have also been narrowed further to include new bike lanes that completely separate them from motorists with some type of barrier, sometimes at the expense of a second lane for cars, which is a nightmare for emergency services trying to get through. The least that cyclists could do is play ball and stay in their lane. Out here where I live there’s a 2-way cycle lane on the pavement that runs for over a mile and another cycle lane on the edge of the road, but cyclists still ride 2-3 abreast in the car lane. Why?

You have highlighted A cyclist at fault and ignored this.

Footage shows other cyclists using the path while at one point a vehicle in front just manages to overtake on the narrow road with a constant stream of oncoming commuters.

 

[sefeddt]

Removed London bike lane blocked by parked cars most of the time – study

Analysis shows average car journey times have also increased after Kensington and Chelsea council took out lane

www.theguardian.com

 

[The Voice]

Does that mean all bicycles sold would have to come with some sort of certified speed measuring equipment?

Why shouldn't pedestrians also be required to have insurance? If they're anything like South African pedestrians then the majority of accidents they get into are actually their own fault. What about a cyclist or motorcyclist who gets injured because some moron crosses the road without looking first? I see some articles referring to killer cyclists while completely ignoring killer pedestrians. Perhaps pedestrians should also wear number plates.

It is good to see the UK wanting to emulate North Korea though.


But in that case they'd have to enforce those speeds only on the vehicles that have some method of reporting speed to the rider.


Proper helmets or those silly plastic things full of holes that many cyclists seem to like wearing?


The problem is the design of the cycle lanes. In countries that don't have space or simply don't care the lanes are inevitably badly designed. We used to joke about only using cycle lanes in South Africa when we wanted to live dangerously because they were genuinely more dangerous than the road.


Sounds like a pretty unusual accident.


There are plenty of developed countries where the money will be gone before you've even had a chance to turn around. So it certainly isn't what differentiates a developed from a developing country.


They did. It was really just a tax and practically unenforceable. Plenty of people simply didn't pay it

The UK’s Highway Code was updated to include a new hierarchy where pedestrians are now top of the food chain, followed by cyclists, and then motorists. The logic is that you’re in 2 tons of steel, versus flesh and bone, so YOU need to be responsible no matter what they decide to do.

 

[The Voice]

Oh ya, I keep forgetting the proposal in question is for your nanny state. You have my condolences.

Yeah, went off the rails in typical MyBB fashion.

 

[surface]

The UK has 20mph limits in built up areas. I’ve had cyclists fly past me, but if I dare to go even a couple of miles over the limit, I’m guaranteed to get a letter in the post with a picture of my number plate and a fine that needs paying.

Is there a stats available of cyclists causing accidents due to speeding? Chances of having such records very high in UK.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Won't work except for those old fashioned upright type bicycles. Seat designs differ, meaning you can't have standardised attachment to the seat itself. So you'll have to attach it to the post and extent it to the back of the seat.
The biggest problem however is that you typically change seat position quite often, even hovering behind the seat, unless it's just a boring commute to work.

So again, a bib will address this much better and over multiple scenarios, if you really want to go the no anonymity route.

Then their registration number can be on the vest at the back. Designated size, colour and lettering font.

Personally I find people that litter cigarette butts more troublesome and more common than cyclist

Then you haven't driven around the Cape Peninsula on a windless sunny day and especially not along Spanschemat Road.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Second hand smoke disagrees with you... A discarded butt is just a telltale way to highlight those that don't care about those around them, much like chucking garbage out a car's window.

You deplore cigarette butts and second hand smoke but see no problem cycling in carcinogens diesel fumes?