DA charges FF+ politician after k-word rant caught on video

[rietrot]

Since when do South Africans refer to non-believers as k*****

We use "heathen" in SA, don't we?

How do you think it started. Some white oom on his farm just made it up out of the blue one day?

 

[ForceFate]

How do you think it started. Some white oom on his farm just made it up out of the blue one day?

I don't know. It may have started in a church somewhere. There's not much history around on how it started but it became a term used to denigrate certain group during the last century, whether the people were believers or not.

 

[rietrot]

I don't know. It may have started in a church somewhere. There's not much history around on how it started but it became a term used to denigrate certain group during the last century, whether the people were believers or not.

I have actually heard it used non-racialy to describe trailer trash white people.

 

[TheChamp]

I have actually heard it used non-racialy to describe trailer trash white people.

Serious?

 

[ForceFate]

I have actually heard it used non-racialy to describe trailer trash white people.

Never heard that one before. Context?

 

[rietrot]

Serious?

Yes. You would normally get: "They are behaving like a bunch of k..." which is more indirect.

But you do get cases were it is used more directly.

 

[ForceFate]

Yes. You would normally get: "They are behaving like a bunch of k..." which is more indirect.

But you do get cases were it is used more directly.

This one is clear. Follow up question perhaps would be "how do k..... behave?"

 

[surface]

You must record this next time you have chance. We will take it to SAHRC. I suppose you have never heard of K words in braai talks though, correct? I will understand if you don't want to rat on friends etc..

I have actually heard it used non-racialy to describe trailer trash white people.

 

[hungrymamba]

You can mock all you want but FF+ wave is unstoppable and it is just a matter of time that Peter Marais becomes president.

Of orania

 

[rietrot]

You must record this next time you have chance. We will take it to SAHRC. I suppose you have never heard of K words in braai talks though, correct? I will understand if you don't want to rat on friends etc..

I hear it all the time at braai talks, all white people are racist, at least all of those I know. Even those that pretend they are not and have black friends. Then it's more of a classism really. Where they view only poor people is the problem.

I even heard a coloured guy at work use it the other day. That was a bit wierd for a few seconds. He was really scared that I would tell someone and I had to explain I don't really care much for people calling each other names.

 

[Fulcrum29]

How do you think it started. Some white oom on his farm just made it up out of the blue one day?

Actually the church is much too blame. Heidene. The curse of Cain and the mark of Cain, the interpretation thereof and so on.

 

[HunterNW]

So if a white person uses the K word he/she is a racist. Full stop ?
Black person uses it ..... then ....... what ?

All of you believing the above - Gfy.

 

[rietrot]

Actually the church is much too blame. Heidene. The curse of Cain and the mark of Cain, the interpretation thereof and so on.

I'm not aware of a link to Cian. That seems like a silly added on believe. But it sounds interesting, any recommended reading?

 

[Fulcrum29]

So if a white person uses the K word he/she is a racist. Full stop ?
Black person uses it ..... then ....... what ?

All of you believing the above - Gfy.

The SAHRC made it clear earlier this year already,

Malema`s race propaganda not "hate speech" - SAHRC - POLITICS | Politicsweb

Commission, citing ConCourt jurisprudence, green-lights incitement of hatred against racial minorities

www.politicsweb.co.za

...legal expert Shanelle van der Berg said the commission was guided by the courts and the Constitution in its findings. She explained that there needs to be a sufficiently high threshold for speech to amount to hate speech. Referencing SAHRC vs Kwelani, she said the Equality Court determined that hateful speech had promoted severe psychological impact. "This did not prompt any harm," she said.

"The definition of hate speech is circular and has been open to a lot of academic critic but there is consensus that that is subject to an objective test. Our context in South Africa is not mutual. We suffer from hundreds of years of marginalisation and exclusion based on race. We still today live with the legacy of colonial and apartheid past. From the Constitutional Court we must take our societal and historical context into account when we try to determine whether something amounts to racism," she said.

Van der Berg stated that the Constitutional Court takes into account who uttered the speech, adding that the identity of the perpetrator makes a difference in cases such as the use of the k-word.

"The Constitutional Court is of the view that certain words or expression will depend on whether [they are] uttered by a white person or a black person and against a white person or a black person. In accordance to the ConCourt jurisprudence, the identity of the offender and target group as belonging to a vulnerable group will have an impact in determining hate speech and robust speech must be protected so that marginalised persons can convey anger and frustration at the systems of social injustice."

 

[surface]

I hear it all the time at braai talks, all white people are racist, at least all of those I know. Even those that pretend they are not and have black friends. Then it's more of a classism really. Where they view only poor people is the problem.

Is that you, Juliass?

 

[Fulcrum29]

I'm not aware of a link to Cian. That seems like a silly added on believe. But it sounds interesting, any recommended reading?

Curse and mark of Cain - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Protestant Beliefs on the Mark of Cain

At some point after the start of the slave trade in the United States, many[citation needed] Protestant denominations began teaching the belief that the mark of Cain was a dark skin tone, although early descriptions of Romani as "descendants of Cain" written by Franciscan friar Symon Semeonis suggest that this belief had existed for some time. Protestant preachers wrote exegetical analyses of the curse, with the assumption that it was dark skin.[19]

...

Baptist segregation
The split between the Northern and Southern Baptist organizations arose over doctrinal issues pertaining to slavery and the education of slaves. At the time of the split, the Southern Baptist group used the curse of Cain as a justification for slavery. Some 19th- and 20th-century Baptist ministers in the Southern United States taught the belief that there were two separate heavens; one for blacks, and one for whites.[22] Southern Baptists have either taught or practiced various forms of racial segregation well into the mid-to-late-20th century, though members of all races were accepted at worship services.[23] In 1995, the Southern Baptist Convention officially denounced racism and apologized for its past defense of slavery.[24]

The curse of Cain was used to support a ban on ordaining blacks to most Protestant clergies until the 1960s in both the United States and Europe[citation needed]. The majority of Christian churches in the world, including the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox churches, Anglican churches, and Oriental Orthodox churches, did not recognize these interpretations and did not participate in the religious movement to support them. Certain Catholic dioceses in the Southern United States adopted a policy of not ordaining blacks to oversee, administer the sacraments to, or accept confessions from white parishioners. This policy was not based on a "curse of Cain" teaching, but was justified by the widely held perception that slaves should not rule over their masters. However, this was not approved of by the Pope or by any papal teaching.[25]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_and_mark_of_Cain#cite_note-25

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[HunterNW]

The SAHRC made it clear earlier this year already,

Malema`s race propaganda not "hate speech" - SAHRC - POLITICS | Politicsweb

Commission, citing ConCourt jurisprudence, green-lights incitement of hatred against racial minorities

www.politicsweb.co.za

That's all about hate speech. I refer to being labeled a racist if you utter that word.

 

[mushroom]

So if a white person uses the K word he/she is a racist. Full stop ?
Black person uses it ..... then ....... what ?

All of you believing the above - Gfy.

its the same in the state where the black ppl can say nigga what but the white ppl cant say so

 

[santaman202]

Since when do South Africans refer to non-believers as k*****

We use "heathen" in SA, don't we?

Since 1652 ?

 

[Fulcrum29]

That's all about hate speech. I refer to being labeled a racist if you utter that word.

All covered under crimen injuria.