DA makes U-turn on golf courses for housing in Cape Town

yebocan

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Here's idea : why not put more than lip service into sorting out the gangsterism on the Cape Flats and actually start addressing the issues of grime and crime in other low income areas of Cape Town? Instead of partaking in the usual political football with these issues. One - you will solve the housing issue, two you will improving the lives of millions...that would translate to natural political growth. What this world needs is for less politicians , and more people with substance, that look beyond political calculations.
 

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Here's idea : why not put more than lip service into sorting out the gangsterism on the Cape Flats and actually start addressing the issues of grime and crime in other low income areas of Cape Town? Instead of partaking in the usual political football with these issues. One - you will solve the housing issue, two you will improving the lives of millions...that would translate to natural political growth. What this world needs is for less politicians , and more people with substance, that look beyond political calculations.

Even the national party did this .. of cause justification was different. It was seen as a colored people problem.

The Da tactic is the same as 2000s albeit they rule the province too. It says much when you go into election promising “change” and then post election and power gain still blame national.

Over calc on their side? Or just (ab)using the the issue
 

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Even the national party did this .. of cause justification was different. It was seen as a colored people problem.

The Da tactic is the same as 2000s albeit they rule the province too. It says much when you go into election promising “change” and then post election and power gain still blame national.

Over calc on their side? Or just (ab)using the the issue
nah just a political party doing what they all do best, get people (most of the voting block) into the usual frenzy of us vs them, ...and for a while people forget the crap they got served up the last 5 years by the incumbents, their area not going anywhere or just backwards...people should wake up( most of the voting block) and not be pulled into the bull they all spew.
 

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I guess that depends on how you define wasted. If by wasted you mean didn't result in an extra seat for the receiving party then about 3000 votes were wasted on the DA too.
Yes, but the DA would need 2500 for another seat, so 5500 + 2500 = 8000 so an extra 2 seats for DA.
 

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Here's idea : why not put more than lip service into sorting out the gangsterism on the Cape Flats and actually start addressing the issues of grime and crime in other low income areas of Cape Town? Instead of partaking in the usual political football with these issues. One - you will solve the housing issue, two you will improving the lives of millions...that would translate to natural political growth. What this world needs is for less politicians , and more people with substance, that look beyond political calculations.
The police are in full control of the national government. If you remember correctly, the WC government had to go to the concourt just to investigate the actions of the police.

Zille appointed a Commission of Inquiry into policing in Khayelitsha in August 2012, following a multitude of complaints about policing, and vigilantism. Her right to do so, however, was challenged by the national minister of police but the Constitutional Court later ruled in Zille's favour.

The Commission got underway in January 2014, where more than 100 witnesses testified before former Constitutional Court judge Kate O'Regan and former National Director of Public Prosecutions Vusi Pikoli. The 500-page report, Towards a Safer Khayelitsha, concluded that there were serious inefficiencies in policing in the area and a breakdown of trust between the community and police.


https://www.news24.com/News24/police-dismiss-khayelitsha-recommendations-zille-20150807

They only have one avenue left, and that is to call a referendum and get popular support for getting the police into the control of the province.
The DA’s Bill seeks to bring power closer to the people by giving elected Premiers the mechanism to use their constitutional powers to call referendums on crucial service delivery issues, where the dysfunctional national government has failed, such as railways, the police, and electricity generation.
https://www.da.org.za/2021/06/da-to-table-bill-to-allow-for-premiers-to-call-for-referendums
 

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At the core they have the same level of corruption as the ANC.

im interested to know how that is remotely possible, when comparing the wc to the rest of the country.

its like they farted and are now chemical war experts.


wasnt the amazon thing blocked by khoisan people protesting about heritage or something, they rather want to live there.
 

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Yes, but the DA would need 2500 for another seat, so 5500 + 2500 = 8000 so an extra 2 seats for DA.
No, it was 10788 per seat. The 4959 for the Patriotic Alliance seat, was due to the way the calculation is done.
 

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No, it was 10788 per seat. The 4959 for the Patriotic Alliance seat, was due to the way the calculation is done.
What is this? BS baffles brains? Why was the Cape Party saying they need 5500 votes for a seat? Okay, so DA would have got 1 more seat with 5000 wasted votes. This is all very confusing, but I'm sure that it is by design.
 

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What is this? BS baffles brains? Why was the Cape Party saying they need 5500 votes for a seat? Okay, so DA would have got 1 more seat with 5000 wasted votes. This is all very confusing, but I'm sure that it is by design.
It's designed to favour smaller parties on single allocation seats. Basically it works as follows. Let's say 100 000 people vote and there are 100 seats available (i.e. 1000 votes per seat). However there are 5 parties who score 46778, 27519, 16020, 8998 and 685 respectively. Each party receives one seat for every 1001 votes (average + 1). The remaining seats are distributed to the parties with the highest remainder (number of "extra" votes). Their seat allocation will then be:

Party A: 47 (995 votes per seat)
Party B: 27 (1019 votes per seat)
Party C: 16 (1001 votes per seat)
Party D: 9 (1000 votes per seat)
Party E: 1 (685 votes per seat)
 

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It's designed to favour smaller parties on single allocation seats. Basically it works as follows. Let's say 100 000 people vote and there are 100 seats available (i.e. 1000 votes per seat). However there are 5 parties who score 46778, 27519, 16020, 8998 and 685 respectively. Each party receives one seat for every 1001 votes (average + 1). The remaining seats are distributed to the parties with the highest remainder (number of "extra" votes). Their seat allocation will then be:

Party A: 47 (995 votes per seat)
Party B: 27 (1019 votes per seat)
Party C: 16 (1001 votes per seat)
Party D: 9 (1000 votes per seat)
Party E: 1 (685 votes per seat)
Then you still have PR on top of that?
 

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im interested to know how that is remotely possible, when comparing the wc to the rest of the country.

its like they farted and are now chemical war experts.


wasnt the amazon thing blocked by khoisan people protesting about heritage or something, they rather want to live there.
The DA have a small amount of power and so have a small amount of corruption that can be delt.

Sure WC is way better managed and I'm happy to live here but that doesn't mean there is no corruption here.
The rest of the country has gone to hell and a handbag because there is both corruption and mismanagement.

Corruption doesn't always show an immediate loss. The ANC re just very good at squandering the money they pilfer.
The Amazon deal wasn't blocked at all, they paid off some guys in loinskins and are happily digging up the driving range and wetland as we speak.
Some DA politician made a chunk of cash off of what is public land.
 

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The DA have a small amount of power and so have a small amount of corruption that can be delt.

Sure WC is way better managed and I'm happy to live here but that doesn't mean there is no corruption here.
The rest of the country has gone to hell and a handbag because there is both corruption and mismanagement.

Corruption doesn't always show an immediate loss. The ANC re just very good at squandering the money they pilfer.
The Amazon deal wasn't blocked at all, they paid off some guys in loinskins and are happily digging up the driving range and wetland as we speak.
Some DA politician made a chunk of cash off of what is public land.

that is still a, far, far stretch from what you said, "they have the same level of corruption as the ANC"
 

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Should change its name to FFP... flip flopping party... Absolute k@k for leadership, spineless bunch . I thought Mmusi was the problem...
Understood so I guess you would like "strong" leaders like J Zuma and, maybe, PW Botha? Actual performance is irrelevant to you?
 

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Understood so I guess you would like "strong" leaders like J Zuma and, maybe, PW Botha? Actual performance is irrelevant to you?
Who cares about JZ or Botha... What I can tell you is DA won't be winning any elections anytime soon with this kind of leadership at the helm... Mike Waters has seen the writing on the wall and resigned
 
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