Dallas Officer Claims Botham Jean Ignored Her ‘Verbal Commands’

[konfab]

Amber Guyger, the off-duty Dallas police officer charged with manslaughter for shooting a man in his own apartment, claimed she shot and killed 26-year-old Botham Shem Jean after he ignored her “verbal commands.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...ham-jean-shooting_us_5b96daf8e4b0cf7b0042b550

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Ignoring commands when he's inside his own house...? Don't know about you guys, but I tend to listen to the commands of people who try to illegally enter my house...

Grief, what a horrible story.

 

[konfab]

Ignoring commands when he's inside his own house...? Don't know about you guys, but I tend to listen to the commands of people who try to illegally enter my house...

Grief, what a horrible story.

I am a bit more pragmatic about it. I would seriously consider the requests of someone pointing a gun at me.

This story illustrates part of the US's problem with their police. They are hiring the dregs of society.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

This looks like a Pistorius Defence...in other words total BS.

She was either extremely drunk or something else happened here. They took bloodsamples from her, but no info on that yet.

It is literally impossible to mistake another person's apartment from yours, on a different floor. On my drunkest days at varsity this never happened.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

I am a bit more pragmatic about it. I would seriously consider the requests of someone pointing a gun at me.

This story illustrates part of the US's problem with their police. They are hiring the dregs of society.

Seems to be similar to our strategy here at home.

 

[Cray]

I am a bit more pragmatic about it. I would seriously consider the requests of someone pointing a gun at me.

Of course -easy to say from the comfort of your computer chair, but not everyone is calm and rational when being threatened with a gun inside their own home

 

[OrbitalDawn]

I am a bit more pragmatic about it. I would seriously consider the requests of someone pointing a gun at me.

This story illustrates part of the US's problem with their police. They are hiring the dregs of society.

Of course -easy to say from the comfort of your computer chair, but not everyone is calm and rational when being threatened with a gun inside their own home

Not even been established that it happened inside the house.

According to Merritt, the witnesses said they heard a woman knocking on the door before the shooting and saying, “Let me in. Let me in.”

David French has a pretty good piece on it, here.

First, police sources are reportedly indicating that Guyger may actually try to raise the fact that Jean didn’t obey her commands as a defense. It’s not a defense. The moment she opened the door to an apartment that wasn’t her own, she wasn’t operating as a police officer clothed with the authority of the law. She was instead a criminal. She was breaking into another person’s home. She was an armed home invader, and the person clothed with the authority of law to defend himself was Botham Shem Jean.

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But I ask you: If Jean had mistakenly gone to Guyger’s apartment and then gunned her down in cold blood after demanding that she follow his commands, would he face a manslaughter charge?

 

[konfab]

Not even been established that it happened inside the house.



David French has a pretty good piece on it, here.

To answer David French's question.

It will most likely be a murder charge not manslaughter.

 

[konfab]

Of course -easy to say from the comfort of your computer chair, but not everyone is calm and rational when being threatened with a gun inside their own home

My family, including my brothers when they were still children, managed to keep calm and listen to the commands of a bunch of home invaders pointing guns at them.

If you think I am defending this woman, I am not. She should get charged with murder. As everyone here is pointing out, her defense is. B.S.

Nevertheless it stands as a separate point that if someone is pointing a gun at you, it is a pretty good survival strategy to do what they say.

 

[HBee]

Once you step into a private residence uninvited without a legal warrant you should be treated as a criminal for any actions that arise from the confrontation.

 

[EADC]

My family, including my brothers when they were still children, managed to keep calm and listen to the commands of a bunch of home invaders pointing guns at them.

If you think I am defending this woman, I am not. She should get charged with murder. As everyone here is pointing out, her defense is. B.S.

Nevertheless it stands as a separate point that if someone is pointing a gun at you, it is a pretty good survival strategy to do what they say.

She says the apartment was completely dark that's why she did not know it was not hers, so possibly he did not see a gun?

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

She says the apartment was completely dark that's why she did not know it was not hers, so possibly he did not see a gun?

She's obviously lying about everything that actually happened.

 

[noxibox]

This story illustrates part of the US's problem with their police. They are hiring the dregs of society.

They pretty much always have.

To answer David French's question.

It will most likely be a murder charge not manslaughter.

In fact if he'd shot her they'd probably go straight for the death penalty.

 

[konfab]

In fact if he'd shot her they'd probably go straight for the death penalty.

Most likely due to the massive privilege females have in this....

After controlling for the arrest offense, criminal history, and other prior characteristics, "men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do," and "[w]omen are…twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted." This gender gap is about six times as large as the racial disparity that Prof. Starr found in another recent paper.

https://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_gender_disparities.aspx

 

[EADC]

She's obviously lying about everything that actually happened.

More than likely this.

 

[Lucas Buck]

She's obviously lying about everything that actually happened.

A jilted lover perhaps.

 

[EADC]

A jilted lover perhaps.

They did not know each other.

 

[Cray]

They did not know each other.

How do you know?

 

[EADC]

How do you know?

Its been reported as such, I saw it being covered on youtube where it was mentioned.

 

[Agent_Smith]

I wonder how many people she has killed in the line of duty. Would be interesting to see what her Guyger counter is currently sitting at.
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