Death Penalty. Yay or nay?

[chiskop]

What is the big difference between then and now ?

Well, instead of using 100% of the State's resources to look after 10% of the population, and measuring our success by that, we are now inconvenienced by having to look after everybody.

Also, in the past we didn't have to worry about human rights, or the small details of whether people were actualy guilty of what they were accused of.

But, some here would like to go back to that barbarism.

 

[simple_simon]

Point given.

But then if we could protect on group of the country why can't we protect both Black and white ? What is the big difference between then and now ?

the states resources now have to support 43 million people not 9 million any more

 

[simple_simon]

It is not as simple as this! The crime we are seeing in this country now is explosive and completely out of control. The types of crimes committed have never been seen before in any civilised countries.

These criminals don't just break into homes and steal - they violently rape, and then kill. They are not doing this because the need food.

The cash in transit heists that happen 3 times a day now - why burn the security guards alive, and shoot machine guns into onlookers.

It is all senseless and nobody seems to have the answers. Where is the disincentive for these bloody animals?

actually brasil is in a similar if not worse situation

i recommend watching a movie called "city of god"...its a starting point on the situation in brasil

 

[chiskop]

actually brasil is in a similar if not worse situation

i recommend watching a movie called "city of god"...its a starting point on the situation in brasil

Thats true. And where else are Brazil and SA often compared - > Gini curve

 

[Riq]

But, some here would like to go back to that barbarism.

barbarism? do u not know wat is happening in this country?

Guys... in relative terms, the death penalty is a saint compared to wat happens in this country. If the country barbarically kills even 1 person a year using the death penalty, it'll slow down other murders. people who are against the death penalty should either get out of the country or fix the problem in their more "humane" way

 

[morebroadband]

actually brasil is in a similar if not worse situation

i recommend watching a movie called "city of god"...its a starting point on the situation in brasil

I have seen the movie, but on a percentage basis I don't believe their crimes numbers are as high as ours (I am talking about violent crimes). They also have a very bad drug culture, and most of the crime is committed because of fighting for turf or revenging someone etc.

 

[Pitbull]

the states resources now have to support 43 million people not 9 million any more

But if you have minimum 1 million school leavers per year join the army, they can be used to protect all. that would more than double the current police force we have.... what is your responce to that ?

 

[Paul_S]

I have a question for all the people who say that the death penalty isn't a deterrent:

If you're driving along a road and you know that there is a 80% chance that the speed cops will have a manned speed trap ahead and that the minimum fine is R 10000 would you be more likely to drive below or above the speed limit?

Now please explain to me how the death penalty isn't a deterrent and why it works so well in places like the Middle East.
Even if it only deters 10% of potential murders it's still worth it in my opinion but only when the proof is beyond reasonable doubt (DNA, fingerprints and eye-witnesses).

 

[BCO]

barbarism? do u not know wat is happening in this country?

Guys... in relative terms, the death penalty is a saint compared to wat happens in this country. If the country barbarically kills even 1 person a year using the death penalty, it'll slow down other murders. people who are against the death penalty should either get out of the country or fix the problem in their more "humane" way

No, it won't.

 

[GavinMannion]

You cannot force people to carry arms and expect them to put themselves in danger. The rich will avoid it and the poor will suffer more...

It is not a viable option.

 

[Pitbull]

You cannot force people to carry arms and expect them to put themselves in danger. The rich will avoid it and the poor will suffer more...

It is not a viable option.

WTF are you talking about ?

 

[Getafix]

There is NO EVIDENCE that the death penalty reduces crime. Those of you who keep saying it's a deterrant, show me some proof, how about? The death penalty is barbaric, and I for one would hate to live in a country knowing that the State has the power to end my life.

Stay on the correct side of the law and you have nothing to worry about.

It will be an interresting stat to see how manny innocents hanged in SA.

The next piece of wisdom will be: "one is to many"

 

[orin76]

But if you have minimum 1 million school leavers per year join the army, they can be used to protect all. that would more than double the current police force we have.... what is your responce to that ?

The army is not a police force. The army trains you to kill enemies of the state, the police are supposed to serve their communities. I personally wouldn't want a million psyched up machine gun-wielding alpha male types running around trying to be cops. We have enough such idiots already.

 

[Paul_S]

The death penalty is barbaric, and I for one would hate to live in a country knowing that the State has the power to end my life.

I hate living in a country where the State does practically nothing to stop someone else ending my life.

 

[Pitbull]

The army is not a police force. The army trains you to kill enemies of the state, the police are supposed to serve their communities. I personally wouldn't want a million psyched up machine gun-wielding alpha male types running around trying to be cops. We have enough such idiots already.

Good so it would keep people indoors !!!!!

There is not way of arguing that this is not a solution.

 

[Riq]

No, it won't.

You forget, this is South Africa. Murderer's get released from prison and kill again. If you execute them, they can't do anything now can't they? So of course it will help with the crime rate. Killers will be too dead to kill again.

 

[Pitbull]

You forget, this is South Africa. Murderer's get released from prison and kill again. If you execute them, they can't do anything now can't they? So of course it will help with the crime rate. Killers will be too dead to kill again.

LMAO !!!!

 

[noswal]

Where there is no questionable doubt as to the guilt of criminal then yes, if there is doubt then a life sentence.

 

[Riq]

Where there is no questionable doubt as to the guilt of criminal then yes, if there is doubt then a life sentence.

What's the difference between letting an innocent person rot in prison until he dies or killing him quickly? Death is probably less torture in my opinion. So even if there are innocent people who are put to death with the death penalty, they were going to die in prison anyway.

 

[Pitbull]

100 posts in 2 hours.... jeez !