Death Penalty. Yay or nay?

[orin76]

If you're driving along a road and you know that there is a 80% chance that the speed cops will have a manned speed trap ahead and that the minimum fine is R 10000 would you be more likely to drive below or above the speed limit?

In SA the chance of a manned speed trap ahead would be more like 5%. Despite the high fine, people would still speed. If you want proof, just look at how many "law abiding" people drink and drive (this is despite the risk of prison time and a permanent criminal record!).

 

[orin76]

Good so it would keep people indoors !!!!!

lol

There is not way of arguing that this is not a solution.

I think you were on the right track. We produce millions of matriculants who can't find work. Surely we can find a few thousand in that group who have what it takes (intelligence and integrity) to be trained as decent cops. To me, this would be more useful than having more soldiers.

 

[Koos Custodiet]

The death penalty is not a deterrent.

It's a pretty good way of avoiding repeat offences.

But ask yourself one question : Would you trust our police to get it right?

Koos

 

[simple_simon]

Thats true. And where else are Brazil and SA often compared - > Gini curve

excellent bit of info.

by my quick analysis of the graph...it appears the french have improved the most in the inequality stakes.

the crime is the manifestation of the anger towards the inequality....which is glaringly obvious on a daily basis in this country.

my theory

 

[Riq]

It's a pretty good way of avoiding repeat offences.

But ask yourself one question : Would you trust our police to get it right?

Koos

i wouldnt trust the police to make 2 minute noodles. Something's gotta be done though. And it has to be done ASAP.

 

[Koos Custodiet]

The are some people (hmmmmmm, he thinks of a name and almost says it.....) who would shoot another just because of an argument on myadsl if they had access to a firearm.

You know, this is an interesting phenomenon.

A friend is going through a relationship crisis because she has a very real, but completely paranoid, fear that her boyfriend will cheat on her.

In reality, he has eyes only for her, and everyone (except she) knows that he *won't* cheat on her. OTOH we all know that she *will* cheat on him given a chance.

So, because she realises that she can't be trusted, she projects that onto him and then accuses him of being like she would be in a similar situation.

Coming back to the quote above. You're probably afraid that you would shoot someone here if you had access to a firearm. Fair enough, make sure that you don't have one. Just like you shouldn't have a packet of smokes in your pocket the day/week/month after you quit, or alcohol in the house if you're a recovering alcoholic.

But don't come tell me what I'm liable to do, and that I'm not allowed guns or alcohol or fast cars or whatever, just because of your own fears.

Koos

 

[Leitmotif]

You cannot force people to carry arms and expect them to put themselves in danger. The rich will avoid it and the poor will suffer more...

It is not a viable option.

There are enough people who want arms, if only to protect themselves. There are people who draw to protect others, even though they know that firing means at the very least a charge of attempted murder. Give us our guns and we will show you peace.

As for the death penalty... the best way is immediate judgement, while in the commision of the crime.

 

[BCO]

You forget, this is South Africa. Murderer's get released from prison and kill again. If you execute them, they can't do anything now can't they? So of course it will help with the crime rate. Killers will be too dead to kill again.

Now that actually makes some sense. But I'd still rather not have the death penalty.

 

[Omac]

You know, this is an interesting phenomenon.

A friend is going through a relationship crisis because she has a very real, but completely paranoid, fear that her boyfriend will cheat on her.

In reality, he has eyes only for her, and everyone (except she) knows that he *won't* cheat on her. OTOH we all know that she *will* cheat on him given a chance.

So, because she realises that she can't be trusted, she projects that onto him and then accuses him of being like she would be in a similar situation.

Coming back to the quote above. You're probably afraid that you would shoot someone here if you had access to a firearm. Fair enough, make sure that you don't have one. Just like you shouldn't have a packet of smokes in your pocket the day/week/month after you quit, or alcohol in the house if you're a recovering alcoholic.

But don't come tell me what I'm liable to do, and that I'm not allowed guns or alcohol or fast cars or whatever, just because of your own fears.

Koos

Now that was very clever koos!

You sound like the clever fellow who would cheat with her.

See now I've gone and made a stupid assumption about you!!

Lets not hijack this thread. It's about the Death Penalty not gun control.

 

[Koos Custodiet]

Now that was very clever koos!

You sound like the clever fellow who would cheat with her.

Oooh! That's what Debbie2 would call Ad Hominem, no? You naughty boy you!

Lets not hijack this thread. It's about the Death Penalty not gun control.

Oi! You're the one who mentioned the magic word "firearm"

My opinion on the death penalty stands : Would you trust our police to get it right?

Koos

 

[Omac]

Oooh! That's what Debbie2 would call Ad Hominem, no? You naughty boy you!



Oi! You're the one who mentioned the magic word "firearm"

My opinion on the death penalty stands : Would you trust our police to get it right?

Koos

Now that I've googled another big word - right back at you.

Or did you think your post was too obtuse for me?

 

[simple_simon]

Stay on the correct side of the law and you have nothing to worry about.

It will be an interresting stat to see how manny innocents hanged in SA.

The next piece of wisdom will be: "one is to many"

laws are changed by those in power at that point in time.

what if it becomes illegal to refuse to leave your farm if the government claims it for redistribution, etc, etc, in the process you kill someone you feel you are defending yourself from..........

you see how this scenario plays out. the death penalty should never be allowed again

 

[noxibox]

2. Make millitary service compalsery for first two years after schol.

reason for #2:

Most of these hideous acts are done by Youths between 18 - 24.
I promise you after 2 years of service they'll never go that route......

Sounds good. We teach them to organise and use various weapons effectively. From 20-24 they can act as professional criminals instead of the amateurs we have now.

 

[noxibox]

Where there is no questionable doubt as to the guilt of criminal then yes, if there is doubt then a life sentence.

Unless you actually catch someone in the act of committing a murder there is pretty much always doubt.

 

[lord_spaceman]

Yay

 

[nthdimension]

The only solution is for the death penalty to be brought back. I know there are ill feelings towards this because of the bad old days, but nothing has worked so far. The USA is not a good example as there are a lot of flaws in their judicial system, but study some of the Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, who has a very low crime rate. I am not advocating all the principals of Saudi, but just the fact that the death penalty there has acted as a major disincentive.

Has it?

Countries like Saudi Arabia have an even more flawed judicial system in that you're basically presumed guilty and if you can't prove otherwise they kill you.

And if the death penalty is the necessary factor how do you explain the low murder rate in countries that do not have the death penalty?

 

[nthdimension]

Bullsh*t !!!!!!!!!

With cogent arguments like that who could possibly disagree? Clearly the death penalty is a deterrent.

 

[Alan]

And if the death penalty is the necessary factor how do you explain the low murder rate in countries that do not have the death penalty?

I'm sure if they had the death penalty it would be even lower

 

[ubberfunk]

this needs to stop guys

army will never be called in to protect us,if and when a army is called in it would be marshall law and genocide,But the funny thing is we dont have a army!the army in this country is a joke just the police force

I like the fact that most of you all are adiment that you can save this country,But take a look at the rest of africa.

FACE it the protection/military forces in this country are non existant,We are at the point of no return now in our country's new history.

i think that alot of us here know what the real problem is,When it did happen we were to stupid to not do anything about it and look at what has happened to our beloved country.

 

[Omac]

You know, this is an interesting phenomenon.

A friend is going through a relationship crisis because she has a very real, but completely paranoid, fear that her boyfriend will cheat on her.

In reality, he has eyes only for her, and everyone (except she) knows that he *won't* cheat on her. OTOH we all know that she *will* cheat on him given a chance.

So, because she realises that she can't be trusted, she projects that onto him and then accuses him of being like she would be in a similar situation.

Coming back to the quote above. You're probably afraid that you would shoot someone here if you had access to a firearm. Fair enough, make sure that you don't have one. Just like you shouldn't have a packet of smokes in your pocket the day/week/month after you quit, or alcohol in the house if you're a recovering alcoholic.

But don't come tell me what I'm liable to do, and that I'm not allowed guns or alcohol or fast cars or whatever, just because of your own fears.

Koos

Koos lets give this one a gun

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