Death Penalty. Yay or nay?

[Leitmotif]

still not a good enough excuse, for what can only be described as torture

Like it or not, the authorities have their duties. Sigh.

Would keeping him under anaesthetic until the time (or his pardon) came have been aceptable to you?

 

[simple_simon]

Like it or not, the authorities have their duties. Sigh.

Would keeping him under anaesthetic until the time (or his pardon) came have been aceptable to you?

duties?????? thats the whole debate....when does it become a duty to kill another human being.

 

[icyrus]

still not a good enough excuse, for what can only be described as torture

What part of it is torture?

 

[LottaFun]

I agree it is not a deterrant, but by putting the baddy in jail, we even have to feed him 3 times a day with our own tax money. So, not only does he kill a tax payer, the other tax payers will give him free bording and lodging!!

I say, hang-em-high!!!

 

[jontyB]

criminals in this country have absolutely no regard for human life. They do not care for anyone but themselves. There is not sufficient evidence to suggest that a death penalty is an effective deterrent for the prevention of serious and violent crime. However, and this is the matter at hand, it is the best possible way to ensure that a killer will not kill again. That is the most absolute guarantee you can get.

One of the issues that is almost the most important but least understood is the simple fact that a killer that employs hideous and extreme violence to the point of hatred during a murder will kill again given half the chance. There is enough research to suggest that no amount of rehabilitation will stop a violent multi-murderer from killing again and again and again. In a country where overcrowding of prisons forces the judiciary to grant bail more and more frequently, many of these killers are feeling immune to the law, and therefore above the law. The only way you can stop the scourge is by abruptly and completely removing the ability for such an individual to re-commit the act of murder. Why allow a killer the ability to kill again and again and again?

 

[Angelo]

The death penalty was used to execute black people as the previous government considered them the enemy and the ANC duly discontinued it when they came to power. Now even though the regime has changed the Judiciary is still largely untransformed as evident in many cases and therefore it would be very dangerous to have the death penalty in such an environment. The death penalty would only result in members of the black people being killed not only because of the racial bias that still exists in the judiciary but also because it costs money to get a fair trial and justice and as we know most black people cannot afford. Given these imbalances the death penalty will never be reintroduced, at least not when the ANC is still in power.

 

[bwana]

The death penalty was used to execute black people as the previous government considered them the enemy and the ANC duly discontinued it when they came to power. Now even though the regime has changed the Judiciary is still largely untransformed as evident in many cases and therefore it would be very dangerous to have the death penalty in such an environment. The death penalty would only result in members of the black people being killed not only because of the racial bias that still exists in the judiciary but also because it costs money to get a fair trial and justice and as we know most black people cannot afford. Given these imbalances the death penalty will never be reintroduced, at least not when the ANC is still in power.

Committing capital crimes would have more to do with it than that.

Dont want to be executed? Then dont commit the crime.

 

[LabAnimal]

a close friend of mine was murdered lastnight this time. Stabbed twice thru the heart. after the autopsy was completed we went to identify the body and found out that he was stabbed multiple times. i lost count somewhere over 60...

If there are SUCH sick people out there, the death penalty would be the only cure for such a twisted mind!.

 

[kilo39]

Angelo - at the time of the Zooma trial I gave some consideration to the issue of white judges: the 'defense' is that judge's follow the rule of the law - whether it is a right or wrong law - it is not their job to create law - simply to carry it out. The anc being the autocrats that they are - do you really think they would allow white judges if they were biased - would anything stand for biased white judges - I think not. In contrast to the black judges which have been in the news of late - inept, uncaring, incompetent. Certainly in issues of defense courts can be biased - but not an issue of judges (otherwise we wouldn't have any.)

I don't support the death penalty - but when I see what goes on - and the horrific personal tales on this very thread - then I think the death penalty is unfortunately something that should be an option.

/much sympathy LabAnimal -.

 

[Getafix]

Angelo - at the time of the Zooma trial I gave some consideration to the issue of white judges: the 'defense' is that judge's follow the rule of the law - whether it is a right or wrong law - it is not their job to create law - simply to carry it out. The anc being the autocrats that they are - do you really think they would allow white judges if they were biased - would anything stand for biased white judges - I think not. In contrast to the black judges which have been in the news of late - inept, uncaring, incompetent. Certainly in issues of defense courts can be biased - but not an issue of judges (otherwise we wouldn't have any.)

I don't support the death penalty - but when I see what goes on - and the horrific personal tales on this very thread - then I think the death penalty is unfortunately something that should be an option.

/much sympathy LabAnimal -.

Gentleman Angelo just occupies a human skin. Some of the blokes being banned at least had an opinion. He just posts, run and ask silly questions to annoy any and everybody.

There is another thread about judges in this forum.

I happened to know the magistrate who sentenced Yengeni and was present with his sentencing more than 4years ago.

He was as guilty as sin and was looking 10-12 years straight in the face.
Then Angelo's gang got together and did their best to get him off scottfree with a plea bargaining exercise. They didn't do to badly. He got 4 years of which he must do 8 months. Mark my words.

Come jail time. Exactly what we expect from Angelo's gang. He claims to be bambooseled and everybody jumps on the bandwagon. The deputy speaker, prime ministers and how many officials. Respect for the law.

Angelo. You want to tell me accepting a 1/2 million vehicle at 1/2 price from a supplier of the weapons deal are fine. Because the man is poor and previously disadvantaged? The judge was white and biassed?

Do you have any brains?

 

[disabled]

The death penalty was used to execute black people as the previous government considered them the enemy and the ANC duly discontinued it when they came to power. Now even though the regime has changed the Judiciary is still largely untransformed as evident in many cases and therefore it would be very dangerous to have the death penalty in such an environment. The death penalty would only result in members of the black people being killed not only because of the racial bias that still exists in the judiciary but also because it costs money to get a fair trial and justice and as we know most black people cannot afford. Given these imbalances the death penalty will never be reintroduced, at least not when the ANC is still in power.

What a load of nonsense...

 

[Angelo]

Angelo - at the time of the Zooma trial I gave some consideration to the issue of white judges: the 'defense' is that judge's follow the rule of the law - whether it is a right or wrong law - it is not their job to create law - simply to carry it out. The anc being the autocrats that they are - do you really think they would allow white judges if they were biased - would anything stand for biased white judges - I think not. In contrast to the black judges which have been in the news of late - inept, uncaring, incompetent. Certainly in issues of defense courts can be biased - but not an issue of judges (otherwise we wouldn't have any.)

I don't support the death penalty - but when I see what goes on - and the horrific personal tales on this very thread - then I think the death penalty is unfortunately something that should be an option.

/much sympathy LabAnimal -.

Judicial bias based on race is something that's not going to be prominent in high profile cases because of the wide coverage these cases get but for the majority of ordinary people in small towns it's still a major issue. The ANC might still be in power but to dismantle the machinery of the past is not going to be an overnight thing as can be seen with the economic imbalance. Whether you agree or not it remains a fact that disadvantaged people will be prejudiced by the death penalty because they won't afford good legal service and therefore we won't have the penalty brought back.

 

[jontyB]

Judicial bias based on race is something that's not going to be prominent in high profile cases because of the wide coverage these cases get but for the majority of ordinary people in small towns it's still a major issue. The ANC might still be in power but to dismantle the machinery of the past is not going to be an overnight thing as can be seen with the economic imbalance. Whether you agree or not it remains a fact that disadvantaged people will be prejudiced by the death penalty because they won't afford good legal service and therefore we won't have the penalty brought back.

You are reaching big time. You're effectively saying judges now choose when to be biased based on the popularity of the case they're trying? What a load of horse crap.

Edit:

The ANC might still be in power but to dismantle the machinery of the past is not going to be an overnight thing as can be seen with the economic imbalance.

WTF? 13 years is not over night, if the **** is still about then it is an indicator of the uselessness of the ANC, nothing else. Incompetence is NOT an excuse.

 

[Leitmotif]

You can get away with a whole lot more in a small case than when the whole world is watching you. Or at least that seems to be the idea.

I agree that 13 years is too long to wait for improvements. If I took that long to develop and implement a system I'd be fired, and probably never work again.

This government's reform promises are starting to look like Duke Nukem Forever... 'It'll be done when it's done'.

 

[Geriatrix]

I like strawberry milkshake!

 

[icyrus]

Judicial bias based on race is something that's not going to be prominent in high profile cases because of the wide coverage these cases get but for the majority of ordinary people in small towns it's still a major issue. The ANC might still be in power but to dismantle the machinery of the past is not going to be an overnight thing as can be seen with the economic imbalance. Whether you agree or not it remains a fact that disadvantaged people will be prejudiced by the death penalty because they won't afford good legal service and therefore we won't have the penalty brought back.

Seeing as this is a "fact" you wont have any trouble providing some proof of this will you? Go on then.

 

[NoRulez]

Edit: Quote:
The ANC might still be in power but to dismantle the machinery of the past is not going to be an overnight thing as can be seen with the economic imbalance.
WTF? 13 years is not over night, if the **** is still about then it is an indicator of the uselessness of the ANC, nothing else. Incompetence is NOT an excuse.

Why is the ANC still looking into the past if they keep on telling us to forget the past and build a future?
******
Economic imbalance indeed! The politicians and council members get richer by the second while the rest of the nation is starving to death - living on promise after promise. How naive can the public be?
Totally agree with jontyB "Incompetence is NOT an excuse", nor is ignorance (or disobedience) of the law - hang the murderers and castrate the rapists!

 

[surface]

The Case Against the Death Penalty

http://www.aclu.org/capital/general/10441pub19971231.html

 

[surface]

SA perspective (FOR Death Penalty)

http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/articles/article.aspx?ID=ST6A211922

 

[Pitbull]

The Case Against the Death Penalty

http://www.aclu.org/capital/general/10441pub19971231.html

I see two problems with this.

1. This is a USA document.
2. Secondly this is outdated 1997 ?