Death Penalty

Syndyre

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Petition won't help anyway, the government seems to only listen to themselves.
 

RichardP

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It will never be brought back.. make peace with it. It was scrapped 'cos every judge had an "interpretation" of how it should be used, and there was no consistency...
 

hj2k_x

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It will never be brought back.. make peace with it. It was scrapped 'cos every judge had an "interpretation" of how it should be used, and there was no consistency...

Indeed, there is no way that it could work with the judiciary the way it is right now.
 

Tux

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Why kill them anyway?
I'd rather send them to some sort of concentration camp. Make their life a living hell while they can actually live with what they've done.

But in today's treehugging, bunnyshagging world it will never happen
 

mancombseepgood

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Corporal punishment

CP is supposed to be a fairly implemented deterrent to heinous crimes. It is intended to prevent revenge. Honest citizens should be able to rely on the state to impose fair sentencing on criminals to deter and prevent an atmosphere of fear and hatred which breeds more crime. When the state fails on their side, then quite simply crime increases and the honest citizens lose out hands down. Wouldn't it be nice if you could actually trust the state and land law. Certainly I believe there is a difference between murder and the death sentence when it is legally metered out by the state in certain circumstances. But when the state is corrupt, then conscience does not allow honest punishment.
 

Alan

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Why kill them anyway?
I'd rather send them to some sort of concentration camp. Make their life a living hell while they can actually live with what they've done.

But in today's treehugging, bunnyshagging world it will never happen

We must put them to use. Full potholes, help train attack dogs, police and army shooting practice, crash test dummies, lab test subjects, test new security systems. There are plenty of ways they could help out.
 

Tux

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We must put them to use. Full potholes, help train attack dogs, police and army shooting practice, crash test dummies, lab test subjects, test new security systems. There are plenty of ways they could help out.

That's the spirit!
 

House

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This is a loosing cause!!!!!!!! As mentioned, the death penalty will never be instituted again - ever! The website owner is waisting his time.

The SA Government can not afford to prevent crime. At least 40% of the population in SA will be put to rest or in jail. They will not be able to make a living and feed their families - Government can not give them all work and houses. Government is secretly condoning the crime spree in SA.

Not only does offenders benefit, but Government too by means of taxes, the more the crime the bigger their smiles.

Live with it, learn to look after yourself and make the best of SA if you are unfortunate enough to be stuck in it!
 

Lord Anubis

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Uhhmmm with the state of affairs as its is (bungling up and loosing dockets and evidence)...would you want to be wrongfully accused..get arrested by mistake....convicted by mistake.... hung by mistake.....it happens and here its not like the good ole US of A (hollywood style) where there are myriads of people working to prove you innocent.

I know its worst case scenario (being arrested, convicted and knowing your innocent) but do you really want your life in the hands of an inept administrative mess?
 

kilps

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Some links which I think sum it up:
http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.asp...aking_news/breaking_news__international_news/
http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.asp...aking_news/breaking_news__international_news/
http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.asp...aking_news/breaking_news__international_news/
By 2000, the state of Illinois had exonerated more death row inmates than it had executed, at which point its governor -- a Republican and long-time death penalty supporter -- declared a moratorium. After conducting a full review, he then commuted the death sentence of every prisoner in the state. "Our capital system is haunted by the demon of error," he said frankly. "Error in determining guilt -- and error in determining who among the guilty deserves to die."

Many states are beginning to wonder whether the death penalty isn't just costing too much already. A typical capital case costs at least three and a half times as much as lifetime incarceration. New Jersey has passed 60 death sentences, overturned 50 on appeal, and still not executed any of the 10 men left on death row. Having spent more than a quarter of a billion dollars executing nobody, it's expected to abolish its death penalty this year.

They are pretty long articles, but I would encourage reading them - pretty insightful...

The main reasons I feel opposed to the death penalty at present are in those two quotes - rather let us send the people who commit these crimes to prison and hard labour for life were they can give something back to the country they took so much from.
 

mancombseepgood

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I disagree

The SA Government can not afford to prevent crime.
Special Assignment quoted that it costs the tax payer around R300 000 per assault case that ends up in JHB general - and there are many every night. If R300 000 per night can be spent on the cops and the beat around the hotspots, at lease three cases a night can be prevented - R900 000 saving. The govenment cannot afford to NOT prevent crime. It is costing us more to do nothing about it.
 
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